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Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by contingencies »

myrandomcomment wrote: post #29

The simple suggestion would be that Google needs to ask for your citizenship status and go from there. Not sure else how to solve that. If I am an American living in the EU for a few years does the GDPR apply to me when I live there? I am going to the EU next week for 10 days. When I access my gmail from the EU what law applies?

I have three western citizenships, one is EU, and I live across borders, usually accessing the internet via VPN from China. Google cannot possibly understand this, nor should it try to, rather it should give everyone the best protections guaranteed by law anywhere in the world and only punch holes in it for local regulations in specific jurisdictions where unavoidable. To do anything else (such as profiling for ads) is to be evil.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by andreagrandi »

Note: if anyone thinks I should at least re-phrase the title and the article, I'm more than happy to do that.

My concern is: why do they mention UK leaving EU if I'm not UK citizen? And why there is no way to appeal/complain directly with them?

Mistakes can happen from anyone, but if they don't let me contact them I have no way of fixing this.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by thayne »

myrandomcomment wrote: post #29

The simple suggestion would be that Google needs to ask for your citizenship status and go from there. Not sure else how to solve that. If I am an American living in the EU for a few years does the GDPR apply to me when I live there? I am going to the EU next week for 10 days. When I access my gmail from the EU what law applies?

> If I am an American living in the EU for a few years does the GDPR apply to me when I live there?

From my understanding, yes. Also if you are an EU citizen living in America, it also applies to you.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by kick »

IAmEveryone wrote: post #38
kick wrote: post #5

I feel like people don't accept that Google needs the EU less than the EU needs Google. If Google were to pull out of the EU overnight, there'd be death as a result. If the EU were to kick Google out, there might still be deaths, but none of them Google employees, and in the end it wouldn't substantially impact Google. There's no real incentive for Google to be a good actor: they have all of the leverage, and if the…

It's the world's largest economic sphere, and Google would be liable to lose not just the 20% or so in revenue, but also their claim to operate world-wide. Suddenly, AWS would be a whole lot more useful than GCS again. And for what? Because you and other Americans consider it somehow beneath you to know about other countries' laws? Note that while you're frustrated by the cognitive load and its impact on your jingois…

I want Amazon and Google to get pushed out of the EU. It'd be hilarious to me, and better for the world writ large. Also, GRPC is a Google framework. Did you mean GDPR?

I think the GDPR is a great thing. I think Google is bad. That doesn't change the fact that Google will continue to make substantially more money off of the EU than the measly fines they've been given by the EU so far: there's no incentive for them to be a good actor. They've been fined barely a few billion in fines, despite repeatedly violating the GDPR.

I want the EU to start migrating their countries away from Google, but instead they're depending on it more and more and giving it slaps on the wrist whenever they do something bad that they admit to.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by onemoresoop »

madeofpalk wrote: post #48
Causality1 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the examples in that article are perplexing to me. Take the example of the Colorado company they say is subject to the GDPR. What motivation does that company have not to just ignore it? Since the EU doesn't have legal authority in Colorado, does the EU block European citizens from accessing violating websites? Do they send an angry letter?

A small Colorado company collecting data on EU residents, and mistreating it, would fall foul of GDPR. Yes, the EU doesn't really have much recourse outside of the EU, so there's not much they'll do. Theoretically , if you step foot in the EU they might come after you, but I'm sure you could understand why that would be exceptional circumstances. Google, however, does have entities within the EU, so they can enforce…

What stops Google or other evil corp from doing the dirty business through small companies in Denver and other places in the US? Can they purchase data from uncountable small actors without any legal repercussion?

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by thayne »

contingencies wrote: post #71
myrandomcomment wrote: post #29

The simple suggestion would be that Google needs to ask for your citizenship status and go from there. Not sure else how to solve that. If I am an American living in the EU for a few years does the GDPR apply to me when I live there? I am going to the EU next week for 10 days. When I access my gmail from the EU what law applies?

I have three western citizenships, one is EU, and I live across borders, usually accessing the internet via VPN from China. Google cannot possibly understand this, nor should it try to, rather it should give everyone the best protections guaranteed by law anywhere in the world and only punch holes in it for local regulations in specific jurisdictions where unavoidable. To do anything else (such as profiling for ads)…

> it should give everyone the best protections guaranteed by law anywhere in the world

What do you do when laws from different countries conflict with each other?

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by kick »

pier25 wrote: post #11
kick wrote: post #5

I feel like people don't accept that Google needs the EU less than the EU needs Google. If Google were to pull out of the EU overnight, there'd be death as a result. If the EU were to kick Google out, there might still be deaths, but none of them Google employees, and in the end it wouldn't substantially impact Google. There's no real incentive for Google to be a good actor: they have all of the leverage, and if the…

Not sure I follow. You don't think the EU is a big market for Google?

It's not an essential market, in my opinion. It's "big" for you and I, but it's not as stunningly huge as others in this thread suggest.

It's probably a third or so of their total revenue from EMEA, which is 30% of Google's revenue. That 10% only needs so many fines and regulations before it's no longer worth it.

Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by kick »

nullc wrote: post #16
kick wrote: post #5

I feel like people don't accept that Google needs the EU less than the EU needs Google. If Google were to pull out of the EU overnight, there'd be death as a result. If the EU were to kick Google out, there might still be deaths, but none of them Google employees, and in the end it wouldn't substantially impact Google. There's no real incentive for Google to be a good actor: they have all of the leverage, and if the…

What percentage of Google's assets are in the EU because of their prior double-irish-dutch-sandwich scheme to evade US taxes?

That's actually a really good point. Thanks for sharing; much to think about.

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Post by [deleted] »

thayne wrote: post #76
contingencies wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have three western citizenships, one is EU, and I live across borders, usually accessing the internet via VPN from China. Google cannot possibly understand this, nor should it try to, rather it should give everyone the best protections guaranteed by law anywhere in the world and only punch holes in it for local regulations in specific jurisdictions where unavoidable. To do anything else (such as profiling for ads)…

> it should give everyone the best protections guaranteed by law anywhere in the world What do you do when laws from different countries conflict with each other?

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Re: Google is moving EU citizens’ data to US?

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Post by luckylion »

thayne wrote: post #73
myrandomcomment wrote: post #29

The simple suggestion would be that Google needs to ask for your citizenship status and go from there. Not sure else how to solve that. If I am an American living in the EU for a few years does the GDPR apply to me when I live there? I am going to the EU next week for 10 days. When I access my gmail from the EU what law applies?

> If I am an American living in the EU for a few years does the GDPR apply to me when I live there? From my understanding, yes. Also if you are an EU citizen living in America, it also applies to you.

It's based on residency, not citizenship. It does not apply if you're an EU citizen living in the US.
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