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Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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i have got to ask, i understand the sugar part, but the meat? Are you referring to the red meat or the fat in meat? Could you elaborate on the meat part?

It's not just that meat and sugar are unhealthy, but also that presence of meat and sugar correlate with absence of healthier foods, such as vegetables, legumes, seeds, fruits and nuts.

Referring to particular foods as "healthy" or "unhealthy" is reductionist and unscientific. All foods have both positive and negative effects. Certain meats are generally quite good, at least in moderation, particularly for getting high quality protein. Eating too many Brazil nuts can cause acute selenium poisoning.

Be more specific. If you want to convince anyone here then please cite high quality studies which actually meet evidence-based medicine criteria. All of the studies so far which claim to show meat is unhealthy were badly flawed observational studies which relied on subject reported data, lacked proper controls, and only showed very small effects.

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This is an already known and suspected theory. But there is no evidence that it came from eating it. Then explain how MERS appeared. Did people of the Middle East suddenly have a gourmet taste for eating camels one day?

Camel meat has always been popular in the Middle East. About 3M camels are slaughtered for meat every year. It's similar to beef, and considered a halal meat for Muslims.

Isn’t the meat cooked? That normally kills off germs and pathogens.

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Camel meat has always been popular in the Middle East. About 3M camels are slaughtered for meat every year. It's similar to beef, and considered a halal meat for Muslims.

Isn’t the meat cooked? That normally kills off germs and pathogens.

Fully killing off viruses would require bringing the internal temperature of the meat to around 70 degrees C. People do not typically do this for red meat as the resulting texture is unappealing.

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https://goo.gl/maps/9dzPVq8XBtChHRxJA

Interesting. It is about 14 km by car between the Market and the Institute of Virology. What do you think about the Daily Mail article which says that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention (WHCDC, not the Institute of Virology, my mistake) is 278 meters away? They state that virus research is being done there. From what I see on the map there are some Union Hospital buildings, but nothing specifically i…

https://map.baidu.com/dir/%E6%AD%A6%E6%B1%89%E5%B8%82%E7%96%...

I think Baidu Maps places WHCDC in the same complex identified in that Daily Mail article, directly across the street from the Huanan Seafood Market. (I'm a bit uncertain because I don't read Chinese, so please let me know if I've made a mistake here.)

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Camel meat has always been popular in the Middle East. About 3M camels are slaughtered for meat every year. It's similar to beef, and considered a halal meat for Muslims.

Isn’t the meat cooked? That normally kills off germs and pathogens.

What's your point? Most people cook their meat before eating whether it's camels, bats, or civet cats. The serious cross-species disease transmission risk is from unsanitary practices in handling live animals and raw meat before cooking.

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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It would be historically correct, though.

Everything has become more abundant recently - clean water, vegetable, meat, fat, sugar, even clean water. And less hunger too. I remember yawning repeatedly / feeling faint when I was younger but didn't know what I hungry until my mum pointed it out. So you can't point to one or two food groups and claim their current abundance cause obesity. Well, except white sugar lol.

id instead point to high fructose corn syrup. even more sugary than white sugar, and it's in basically all junk food instead of white sugar

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There is a lot of stupid and non-sense talk about how the coronavirus was created, because of Chinese people eating bats. There is no scientific evidence to support this! Instead, this exposes the deep-seated biases and prejudices, that Westerners (white people) have of Easterners, and specifically, the Chinese, in this case. It also didn’t help that the Trump Administration went on a negative media assault for the p…

Ebola jumped with bushmeat- and this is not a prejudice. This is just fact. Travell to china, see for yourself on a wet market in the morning. You can get everything there. Of course with the foreigners prices, but nearly everything.

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Yeah, we have no idea where the source is. But we do know that China is a country 9,596,961 square km in size. We also know that China's National Biosafety Laboratory, their only Level 4 microbiology lab, is located at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is 278 meters away (as the crow flies) from the Huanan Seafood Market. Said market has previously been speculated to be the source. Is it simply coincidence that…

> Is it simply coincidence that in a country of nearly 10 million square km the outbreak may have started less than 300 meters away from this laboratory? Sure, why not? Coincidences happen all the time, we only pay attention to the significant ones or ones that can be used to push some agenda. Circumstantial speculation only gets you so far, eventually you need some objective evidence.

I’m not saying coincidence or conspiracy, but this 2017 Nature article mentions some concerns:

https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to...

> But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Nice but it won't solve Biosafety 4 labs from leaking viruses and then covering up the truth like chernobyl

Try to see the good side- after this, no more bio labs, cause politicians like that as much as they like militarys going rogue with nukes.

Re: China bans consumption and trade of wild animals

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Because they're even endangering animals in other countries and continents, so why not their own as well?

Everyone is endangering animals in other countries. And when it comes to preserving their own wild animals, china is much better at it than europe who wiped out pretty much all their major fauna. The US isn't much better since we pretty much wiped out most of our native wild life.

The chinese and their idiotic traditional 'medicine' are endangering so many animals that it's not even close. They're actively encouraging poaching.
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