In Britain, even jails have a class system • Hacker News Board

Re: In Britain, even jails have a class system

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Post by spinglespingle » Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:34 PM UTC

botwriter wrote: post #18

tramp0line wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

now say that there are many muslims terrorists and black criminals coming there to do business, see how that is different?

there are gangs of muslim men in the UK raping children, muslim terrorists and black criminals.

"there are" !== "a lot". see where that little racist dailymail twat surfaced? let me guess, you call yourself "liberal" and hate it when trump claims mexicans are rapists eh? but don't hesitate to claim there are "a lot" of east european criminals in the UK are you mate?

Re: In Britain, even jails have a class system

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Post by JoeSmithson » Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:36 PM UTC

pysxul wrote: post #19

> In June 2016 [...] He was sentenced to five years in prison and sent to Wandsworth > He was released in December 2018. Theses 5 years were pretty fast

Almost all custodial sentences in the UK, you serve half in prison and half on license; this means you aren't in prison, but are monitored by the Probation Service. They can recall you to prison if you step out of line. Essentially, your actual prison sentence is half what it sounds like.

Re: In Britain, even jails have a class system

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Post by JoeSmithson » Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:37 PM UTC

Denvercoder9 wrote: post #20

pysxul wrote: post #19

> In June 2016 [...] He was sentenced to five years in prison and sent to Wandsworth > He was released in December 2018. Theses 5 years were pretty fast

He was arrested in 2012 already and probably spend a significant amount of time in prison before he was sentenced.

No, that was almost certainly on bail

Re: In Britain, even jails have a class system

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Post by botwriter » Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:37 PM UTC

Denvercoder9 wrote: post #20

pysxul wrote: post #19

> In June 2016 [...] He was sentenced to five years in prison and sent to Wandsworth > He was released in December 2018. Theses 5 years were pretty fast

He was arrested in 2012 already and probably spend a significant amount of time in prison before he was sentenced.

nah for white collar crime in the UK he'd be out on bail.

Re: In Britain, even jails have a class system

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Post by spinglespingle » Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:42 PM UTC

broodje wrote: post #17

tramp0line wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

could it be that if bloomberg says the same about US minorities, it is called racist, but this is not? odd folk

Is identifying someone by their nationality racist?

not at all, but singling out a single ethnicity out of a massively mixed prison, quite is. particularly when it falls in the line of dailymail propaganda. or is racism racism only when against certain groups and not all?

Re: In Britain, even jails have a class system

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:43 PM UTC

spinglespingle wrote: post #21

botwriter wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there are gangs of muslim men in the UK raping children, muslim terrorists and black criminals.

"there are" !== "a lot". see where that little racist dailymail twat surfaced? let me guess, you call yourself "liberal" and hate it when trump claims mexicans are rapists eh? but don't hesitate to claim there are "a lot" of east european criminals in the UK are you mate?

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Re: In Britain, even jails have a class system

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Post by jxramos » Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:45 PM UTC

I'm guessing any group of humanity will naturally form hierarchies. Seems like part of human nature.

Re: In Britain, even jails have a class system

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Post by lolc » Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:45 PM UTC

throway1n wrote: post #10

uk_programmer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is racist about it? I don't see any racism in that statement. He was simply stating that he was more comfortable around other white collar criminals.

had he said black or jewish criminals you would have been raging on twitter spewing woke slogans. he was simply singling out an ethnicity, the english criminal did.

The statement does not suggest that Romanians are gangsters, just that there were Romanian gangsters in that prison. I think I would have found "black gangsters" acceptable in that context too. "Jewish gangsters" would have surprised me because it doesn't fit the stereotype I have of Jews. But I don't think I would have found it racist.

Don't be angry at the messenger. He's explaining how the separation happens. Not talking about it doesn't make it better.

Re: In Britain, even jails have a class system

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Post by emiliobumachar » Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:49 PM UTC

yarrel wrote: post #8

No, American jails have a class system. British ones contain one.

Please elaborate. As it is, this flew over my head.

Re: In Britain, even jails have a class system

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Post by wpietri » Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:51 PM UTC

jxramos wrote: post #27

I'm guessing any group of humanity will naturally form hierarchies. Seems like part of human nature.

Sure. Humans are also naturally violent. We naturally get tuberculosis, too. As conscious beings, it's up to us to decide the good and bad in our natural heritage. To amplify the former and mitigate the latter.