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Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by shpx »

pergadad wrote: post #160
shpx wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DNS-over-Wikipedia is my goto strategy for websites like this (Scihub, Libgen, Piratebay, Popcorn Time, etc.).

What do you mean by this?

Instead of googling for the site, I google for the site's Wikipedia article ("schihub wiki") which usually has an up-to-date link to the site in the sidebar, whereas Google is forced to censor their results.

If you Google "Piratebay", the first search result is a fake "thepirate-bay.org" (with a dash) but the Wikipedia article lists the right one.

Comparing this to DNS wasn't right, but at one point for Scihub the article listed the actual IP address of the server https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sci-Hub&oldid=8...

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by ajford »

Blaisorblade0 wrote: post #154
eyegor wrote: post #143

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Your basic assessment is correct, however, you're forgetting a key detail. Every journal I know of also charges the author a fee to submit papers. So the author pays to submit their work, volunteers review it, the author does corrections, and then it might get published behind a pay wall. For any university research, the work itself is paid for mostly via government and private company grants.

That sounds weird; all journals I know are paid either by readers or by the submitter (the latter is called gold open access).

The journals I'm familiar with require both.

The reader pays for access (or more commonly their university/research org/public library/employer pays for it), and often is only available in bundles, such as multiple unrelated journals or forcing a library to maintain print and digital access even if they only want digital access.

The submitter is usually required to pay a submission fee to cover/subsidize the cost of review. Some do allow you to pay a surcharge for open access, and in many cases (at least the grants I was working on) grants and funding cannot be used for these costs.

I am overjoyed to see that it's becoming more common to have fully open access journals, or that the open access fee is reduced. And the endorsement of more open access journals for fields that have historically had a dominant closed access journal (such as the American Astronomical Society and it's introduction of new journals like the Planetary Science Journal).

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by ajford »

refurb wrote: post #167
dagenix wrote: post #45

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> It takes work to produce human knowledge. Writing a book, creating educational materials, and writing research all takes time, just like it takes time to build a house. My understanding is that most / all articles in academic journals are written by researchers who are not paid by the journal. Then, the articles are peer reviewed by another set of researchers - who are also not paid by the journal. Then, those same…

Look up Chesterson’s Fence. It’s always a good idea to figure out why the fence exists before tearing it down. Researchers who publish in these journals can publish anywhere, but they choose to publish in these for-profit journals. Do you know why?

A massive majority of the time it's because the name once held meaning and had a strong reputation. In plenty of cases this still holds, even if the pricing model has turned predatory. Plenty of people review for an article due to the prestige, and a journal can become well known for having quality reviewers.

When I was in Radio Astronomy, publishing in APJ meant something, but when someone would publish an article pertaining to Radio Astro in Nature or some other publication, it was often looked down on as having less merit since it wasn't in APJ.

Personally, I know of a lecturer in my undergrad university who published in a more well known journal because when they suggested publishing in a less well known journal that was more niche and in-line with the field of their research, the chair of the department leaned on them and "strongly advised" that publishing lesser journal could lead to loss of funding for their research group.

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by ajford »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #118
ggrrhh_ta wrote: post #115

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As many of us doing research, writing, reviewing, typesetting, checking proofs, organizing their dissemination conferences, administrative tasks, filling up IP forms, returning them, getting them checked by attorneys paid on our side, etc., etc., etc., do not get absolutely anything remotely in value to the price it costs to our institutions or peers to access our work. We force ourselves though to do something so il…

> things are slowly changing, as people & institutions with the right amount of power and leadership are starting to take action. Where exactly, what people and institutions?

The American Astronomical Society has taken a pretty powerful stance against the predatory journal publishing practice.

They are pushing their own field-recognized journals that are partially open-access (12mo blackout window, then fully open access) with the option to go full open access from the beginning for a surcharge, and are even working to provide publishing cost assistance for those in need of it (such as early-career scientists who may not have a lot of funding to lean on).

It's not ideal, given that there's still a somewhat high cost for a fully open-access publication (the "gold open access"), but at least it's there. Also, the fact that a paper "ages" into open access after 12 months means that the knowledge does eventually make it into public hands.

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by glenneroo »

Causality1 wrote: post #15
glenneroo wrote: post #5

Too bad it's blocked by our telecom :( > Dear customer, Due to a warning in accordance with Section 81 (1a) UrhG / preliminary injunction / court decision, access to this website had to be blocked.

I'm surprised you put up with that kind of censorship. I'd get a VPN if I were you.

I've tried various VPNs over the years but they add considerable latency to my already latency-laden LTE connection, which is only very briefly fun for the nostalgic 90s feeling.

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by troquerre »

Vinnl wrote: post #135

Hi all, I made this. I just received a notice from Zeit that they blocked it: > I am writing to let you know we have blocked your deployment: whereisscihub.now.sh > This is because the deployment contained illegal content. > Please let me know if this is not the case or if you have any questions. I hadn't noticed it was on Hacker News, but that explains the sudden attention. While I don't believe the site was illegal…

Hey Vinnl, would it be alright if I dm you? I think there’s a way to create your service using Handshake.org such that it can’t be shutdown.

For context, Handshake is a new project aiming to create a distributed certificate authority and naming system. Domain names on Handshake are very difficult to shut down, so you could have a sci hub domain on Handshake that continuously tracks the sci hub servers. Users would be able to always access sci hub from the same domain in this case.

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by glenneroo »

alexanderchr wrote: post #141
glenneroo wrote: post #5

Too bad it's blocked by our telecom :( > Dear customer, Due to a warning in accordance with Section 81 (1a) UrhG / preliminary injunction / court decision, access to this website had to be blocked.

Mine too but only on DNS level. Try changing to googles or cloudflares DNS and see if it works.

Unfortunately doesn't help. Windows tracert also displays a funny message:

Tracing route to unavailable.for.legal.reasons [212.166.122.119] over a maximum of 30 hops:

I find it odd that the warning message is from Magenta (T-Mobile) when A1 is my ISP. A1 is a private company which has fairly recently taken over the role of "main" ISP in Austria, which means, as I understand it, that all traffic in Austria flows through their pipes. What I don't get is why Magenta is providing the blocking (or how, if it's not DNS).

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by Vinnl »

troquerre wrote: post #176
Vinnl wrote: post #135

Hi all, I made this. I just received a notice from Zeit that they blocked it: > I am writing to let you know we have blocked your deployment: whereisscihub.now.sh > This is because the deployment contained illegal content. > Please let me know if this is not the case or if you have any questions. I hadn't noticed it was on Hacker News, but that explains the sudden attention. While I don't believe the site was illegal…

Hey Vinnl, would it be alright if I dm you? I think there’s a way to create your service using Handshake.org such that it can’t be shutdown. For context, Handshake is a new project aiming to create a distributed certificate authority and naming system. Domain names on Handshake are very difficult to shut down, so you could have a sci hub domain on Handshake that continuously tracks the sci hub servers. Users would be…

I don't think HN has DM functionality, but feel free to contact me on any platform.

In any case, feel free to take the source code and to deploy it elsewhere.

That said, it might be best to have Sci-Hub adopt Handshake directly? I think you might be able to get in touch with Alexandra Elbakyan, the person behind Sci-Hub, through its Twitter: https://twitter.com/Sci_Hub

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by llllllllllllII »

einpoklum wrote: post #139
anonymfus wrote: post #103

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> It will be nicer if whole sci-hub is able to move to IPFS network and accessible through a domain. I think you have an misconception about how sci-hub works. Most of the content you can access trough sci-hub is not hosted by sci-hub, what happens when you request a fresh new paper is that your request is eventually served by a computer in the network of one of the universities with subscription to the journal which…

What do you mean, "stolen". They are _used_, not stolen.

You’re right since digital content cannot be stolen, but it is well documented that some of the accounts are “used” via phishing, brute forcing and zero day exploits on the university/library’s platform, which is perhaps what GP meant.

Re: Where Sci-Hub Is

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Post by einpoklum »

llllllllllllII wrote: post #179
einpoklum wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean, "stolen". They are _used_, not stolen.

You’re right since digital content cannot be stolen, but it is well documented that some of the accounts are “used” via phishing, brute forcing and zero day exploits on the university/library’s platform, which is perhaps what GP meant.

Is it well-documented that such actions are used to obtain account credentials for Sci-Hub? I've not heard of this.
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