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Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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“You can pass every interview with A grades and still not get a job, because a senior Googler decides that you're the wrong person to be hired.” Google doesn’t need you. They probably already have a clone of you. They have gobs of rank-and-file SWE effort on reserve should one of their key products fail. The process is designed to entertain the hiring manager and certain key employees. They don’t want you for your pr…

> This other Googler likely already has a competing offer— that’s how he got promoted last year. Source? I'm very skeptical this is true. I am not a huge fan of Google's promotion process but it isn't that bad.

It's just an example, and not very far fetched. Ultimately, the reason folks get formally promoted is to retain them.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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post #40

Google wants people who are desperate to work at Google. The plus (for them) of getting someone to invest so much effort into getting in means that they will be committed for a while because of the sunk costs / defeated ultimate boss effect. Luckily there is a large supply of those people for now. They won't change their interview process until this stops being the case. Edit: I guess someone at Google didn't like th…

I just don't think that's true. If people worked there because they were desperate to work there, they wouldn't pay industry-leading salaries.

That doesn't follow. Once people work there, they don't want those people to leave for Facebook et al. so they have to compete on retention.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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post #90

Alright, so Mountain View is waking up now and you'll get comments from Googlers, so here is mine. DISCLAIMERS: 1. I work for Google, but these opinions are mine. 2. Everyone at Google is expected to interview, but I no longer do, and have not for two or three years. I have a medical exemption because for anxiety. Trust me, I know just as much as any candidate how stressful it is to be in that room. 3. I interviewed…

How did you get your internship? I relate to you on the anxiety part, I freeze up badly during interviews, and I was literally shaking for an extremely simple white boarding question for an on-campus job. I guess the mock interview part should work pretty well for me. Thank you for typing this up though, it gives me a lot of clarity into the whole process.

I got contacted by a recruiter a couple years ago, and I turned down applying for a summer internship this year just because I didn't feel ready and would rather not go through all the stress. Now I'm wondering if I'll ever feel ready, and the anxiety and stress just puts me off the whole process, and makes me question if its even worth it with so many applicants.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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The biggest WTF I got out of this was: Writing code and tests in a Google Doc. I can't think of a much less friendly environment to write code in, except perhaps Notepad. I did it once (for an intra-company interview), and it was nasty to deal with. The WTF in second place was a blind requirement to know the mechanics behind a somewhat niche game that was big two years ago.

A Google doc certainly beats coding on a whiteboard or a stack of printer paper.

A whiteboard isn't auto-"correcting" me and capitalising my start of lines though.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

#195

Google just loves to waste your time. A close friend of mine interviewed there, was flown out to Mountain View, and one interviewer showed up to the interview over 30 minutes late, with only about 5-10 minutes to spare. He didn't get the job. Seems like a lot of engineers there get the job after many months of (unpaid) preparation and years of interviewing many times. I can understand doing this for one's dream job,…

>some hazing interview process

I'm sorry, but this made me laugh quite a bit

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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post #36

I interviewed with Google last spring. My experience was different, but about as disappointing. I applied for a job, and received an out-of-the-blue email from a recruiter about a different job a couple months later (my resume must have landed in some "recent" bucket). The position was in Google Cloud. I was frustrated by the "you'll talk to a team after you've passed 100 hurdles" nonsense. I had one phone screen wit…

Ok, completely different take! I also interviewed there last spring, but I thought it was super positive, even though I didn't get the job. I had to push myself really hard to get the onsite and I think that was beneficial to me. I have no computer science background at all and it forced me to prep intensively between interviews. So, I kind of went into it figuring I probably wouldn't get it but who knows and that it…

What was the job? I only hear about people with comp sci backgrounds getting hired there.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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The best way to get a job at google is to get some high ranking insiders to refer you and then show up at the interview and do your best. The yammering about how to ace the coding interview overlooks that without a referral you are at a severe disadvantage.

Either this is categorically untrue (which, I'm inclined to believe) or I'm unhirable.

I know plenty of people in strong to very strong positions in google and was referred by one of them, yet did not get a job offer.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok let's say you make $300k/yr at a FAANG. Lose 40% to taxes and you're looking at $180k/yr. Living in SV your expenses will roughly be at least $45k/yr. So you save $135k/yr (180 - 45). That's great, but a far cry from being a millionaire in just a few years. Of course as you get promoted your comp increases, hitting $500k gross at L5, but that takes more than a couple years to achieve.

If you're losing 40% to taxes you're doing it wrong. Also, stock appreciation. A $500k grant last year is worth $640k this year.

Can you expand on that? How do you get out of paying taxes?

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The odds of anyone at the top of the hiring funnel getting an offer are really poor, but the odds for people with referrals are much higher.

The chances of getting a conversation with a recruiter and interview with a referral is almost 100%. But even after the initial interview, the odds of getting hired are tiny. That's the point I was trying to make.

Going through the interview process and just last week I was rejected from Google with a referral and without even getting a recruiter conversation. Caught me by surprise because with current education/work exp. I had no issue reaching the "talk to a human being" step with other FAANG companies... a bit disheartening but mainly just makes me wonder what Google is looking for at that point in the process that's different from other top companies.

Re: Google interviewing process for software developer role in 2020

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My "lunch interviewer" complained about the bureaucracy and said he was looking for another job after being there for ~18 months. Actually (with that) he wasn't being an asshole; he was doing you a favor. In revealing to you, quite candidly, just how disappointing the Google experience evidently is for a considerable portion of engineers.

Bias up front: I work at Google. > evidently is for a considerable portion of engineers. I only see evidence that the experience was disappointing for a single Googler, the lunch interviewer, not "a considerable portion" of them. The interviewer's data point is certainly valid, but it's not clear to me how much you can generalize it.

If a person is that candid while interviewing someone that is definitely a huge red flag.

"I think you will like it here, me I'm bailing because I can't stand it"

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