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Re: On Voice Coding

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Post by pumanoir »

lunixbochs wrote: post #22

This post starts out talking about expecting to spend around $1,000. There are at least two cross-platform projects where the biggest expense is a microphone instead of software. 1. My project, Talon. Windows/Linux/Mac support, and a first party local speech recognition engine that is pretty good and getting better. It’s free, but the engine is in a private beta (which is $15/mo to support development, optional if th…

I have intermittent RSI and I've been using Talon for 1.5 years for programming (web) with intellij and spacemacs. I reckon I'm as productive as using my hands if I use only voice. When my hands don't hurt and i mix talon with my hands I feel i can do more than I could do with my hands alone. Thanks, lunixbochs. Talon is great.

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Post by lunixbochs »

est wrote: post #69

Off topic, but I really wish to find out any Alexa-like "smart speakers" capable of voice programming. For example: 1. I would like to command the speaker listen for a keyword like the Fizz Buzz Test[1] if I counted to certain number. 2. Ask the speaker to remind me of something when hearing certain topics during a conversation. Much like the "if" keyword in text based computer programming languages. 3. Program a poe…

I would probably start with the seeed studio ReSpeaker array hardware wise. Otherwise, can you write up a more specific use case list with specific commands and responses? This sounds fun and I can probably help you make this happen.

Re: On Voice Coding

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Post by jrgoff »

ijidak wrote: post #4

FYI, I thought my programming career was over due to RSI. Now, I only type while wearing long-sleeves. And of course, I still have to take regular breaks. I no longer suffer RSI symptoms. I'm guessing because it increases blood flow to the area and perhaps the warmth helps keep ligaments and muscles flexible and loose. Simple solution, but took a while to figure out. Hopefully this helps someone reading this.

In case this is helpful for someone else:

I had RSI for years as well, ended up changing careers away from tech for many years because of it. For an unrelated issue I started taking probiotics and gradually noticed the RSI had improved. It took a while to realize it was the probiotics doing it because I had generally been avoiding doing things that triggered the RSI. After I noticed I could type regularly again though, I've had a couple of instances where the RSI flared up again when I had stopped taking the probiotics for a week or two - that's when I finally realized that was likely the change that made the difference.

Looking back I had had the onset of significant chronic digestive issues a month or two before the RSI started and I know believe that was not a coincidence.

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Post by lunixbochs »

est wrote: post #63
melling wrote: post #2

“I type fast enough that I have never had much use for snippets in my text editor. Perhaps if I’d used them more effectively, I would not have developed the RSI symptoms that I have!" Often we have discussions about advanced code completion on HN. Many developers feel they don’t need it, or that it gets in their way, for example. Reading stories like this convinces me even more that our editors (tools) need to be sma…

I found that Kite is comparable with Tabnine, at least with Python. https://kite.com/integrations/kite-vs-tabnine/

Because this says “single token completion” as the tabnine example gif I’m guessing it isn’t comparing to deep tabnine at all, which is on an entirely different level

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Post by pumanoir »

rijoja wrote: post #9

How well would this work in an open office setting, especially if several people are using it?

I use Talon with Dragon and an Audio Technica PRO8HE. I mostly whisper to the system, and people in my office say they don't hear me at all. Also whispering allows me to not get my throat get tired.

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Post by lunixbochs »

rijoja wrote: post #61
lunixbochs wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, I believe you are referring to this [1]. I wasn’t feeling pissed. I was critical of your dismissive tone, as I felt your post was possibly harmful to people who may be looking for solutions. You had said something along the lines of “voice coding can’t work well because Siri doesn’t recognize code” which is a surprising conclusion from a flawed premise. As a generalization, you seem to be coming up with reasons y…

I would like to apologise for that. You really made me think and know that I've become a mac user I have the opportunity to try your solution out. The blog post was intended in a rather light tone. My intention was to add the more in depth analysis in the book. Now that I am a mac user I finally have the chance to take a look at your solution. I do think that I have a lot to learn and do not think that the areas of r…

Funny timing on switching to Mac, as Talon now has a triple platform beta. If you’re looking to get an accurate (pun intended) read on things, make sure to try the beta wav2letter engine or try Talon with Dragon. Apple’s MacOS speech engine was never as accurate or comfortable to use, and as of Catalina it might be more accurate but it’s broken for Talon’s use case anyway :(

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Post by est »

lunixbochs wrote: post #72
est wrote: post #69

Off topic, but I really wish to find out any Alexa-like "smart speakers" capable of voice programming. For example: 1. I would like to command the speaker listen for a keyword like the Fizz Buzz Test[1] if I counted to certain number. 2. Ask the speaker to remind me of something when hearing certain topics during a conversation. Much like the "if" keyword in text based computer programming languages. 3. Program a poe…

I would probably start with the seeed studio ReSpeaker array hardware wise. Otherwise, can you write up a more specific use case list with specific commands and responses? This sounds fun and I can probably help you make this happen.

> write up a more specific use case list with specific commands and responses

"no swear words" rule for kids. The speaker need to maintain a global counter for kid_id/word counter for every time a swear word is heard. Will reset every week for rewards/penalty, etc.

The parents (as admin) could add/remove the swear words list, and can configure how long the counter need to be rotated.

A non-trivial example, I am an ESL speaker, trying to teach my kid to learn English. But had little patience with the grammar and pronunciation. (My Bad)

I'd like to record a simple poem e.g. The Moon by Robert Stevenson, ask my kid to listen to it without need to stare at any screen, the aim is to recite it correctly, the programmable speaker would correct any missing words with stronger emphasizes next time, and count any badly spoken words with a counter, test it several rounds to see if my kid improves and recite the full text correctly.

There are many family games that can be played around a programmable speaker, e.g. as the dungeon master. The story teller, the on-demand background music composer, etc.

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Post by fizixer »

AstralStorm wrote: post #41

This article could use a better title. Voice coding makes me think of audio compression for voice. This is programming using voice recognition instead.

I agree. 'Voice coding' does not make any sense, no offense, even if it wasn't a technical term in a completely different discipline.

It should be 'voice-activated coding', VAC, or 'voice-activated programming' (VAP) or something.

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Post by short_sells_poo »

melling wrote: post #2

“I type fast enough that I have never had much use for snippets in my text editor. Perhaps if I’d used them more effectively, I would not have developed the RSI symptoms that I have!" Often we have discussions about advanced code completion on HN. Many developers feel they don’t need it, or that it gets in their way, for example. Reading stories like this convinces me even more that our editors (tools) need to be sma…

I like the idea of TabNine, unfortunately it doesn't seem to be super well supported :(

There are no news on whether it is being actively developed and the current implementation is unusable in a corporate environment because it can't dial home through a proxy so it refuses to activate the license.

It's a shame too because it was basically a "shut up and take my money" reaction from me. I'd pay for this product. I'd pay good money for this product.

Re: On Voice Coding

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Post by war1025 »

lbj wrote: post #49

Just a quick shout out to Microsoft (no affiliation) - Their Sculpt keyboard has taken all the discomfort out of 15hour coding sessions. If you're a professional developer, get one.

> taken all the discomfort out of 15hour coding sessions

I can't imagine working 15 hours straight would be comfortable for me no matter what tools I was using.

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