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Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Re: Iran lawmaker says 50 dead from coronavirus in city of Qom

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Post by magneticnorth »

surge wrote: post #154
gzer0 wrote: post #32

Around 99% of the patients developed a high temperature, while more than half experienced fatigue and a dry cough. About a third also experienced muscle pain and difficulty breathing. Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that around 80% of coronavirus cases are mild. Around 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill. Here's how symptoms progress among typical…

Of closed cases (people that have recovered or died) the fatality rate is more like 10%. It's only 2% of total that have it, meaning a lot of people have neither recovered or died as it spreads and they're waiting to find out if they fall in the 10% or the other 90%. Edit: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Looks like its now only 9%, it was 10% a day or two ago.

Yes, the closed cases has been steadily dropping but remains well above 2% - however, we expect that number to be higher than the actual mortality rate while the infection is still spreading/growing, as recovering from the disease takes longer than dying from it.

What I find more concerning is that the current ratio of deaths to cases is 3%, which I would expect to be an underestimate. Hopefully this is due to under-reporting of the mild cases, but it does imply either a major under-reporting of active cases or a significantly higher mortality rate than has been estimated so far (most likely the former).

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Post by huebomont »

glitchdigger wrote: post #199
hurricanetc wrote: post #147

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The WHO has come across as pretty incompetent in my opinion. We could have stopped this disease from spreading outside of China but the WHO consistently downplayed the severity and claimed travel bans were overkill and would be too damaging economically. Now they’re saying it’s likely too late to contain the virus. Well I wonder what will be more damaging to the economy? The proposed travel bans or the catastrophic e…

Anyone that trusts the WHO is a plank anyway. These weirdo globalist fuckers are probably connected to those responsible for its deployment. Don’t trust the WHO or the UN for a second.

This is some real tinfoil hat shit

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Post by Balgair »

tiborsaas wrote: post #27

With the 150+ Italian cases (3 dead), it's probably safe to say that the virus is out of our control... which we probably never had. https://apnews.com/32540d09ec101aac057660ef1b0aa970

Xtra History has a good intro series on the 1918 pandemic. They liken it to trying to fight off an alien invasion. These things become that serious so quickly.

Best advice: Wash you hands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ9WX4qVxEo

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Post by jtbayly »

goatforce5 wrote: post #175
taurath wrote: post #130

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In the US, a 2 week stay in the hospital will cost you upwards of $50,000. Even if you have insurance, understand it will be a significant cost to you. If you’re uninsured like 20 million Americans or underinsured like 80 million, going to the hospital means automatic bankruptcy. Every day our broken healthcare system will force many people to choose between all their families assets and getting care. This should not…

Unrequested anecdata: my partner got a bad case of the flu (and epiglottis) a couple of years ago, and ended up spending 10 days in hospital - 7 in ICU, 3 on a normal ward. Total cost: $0. Thanks Canada! (Having said that, if you're visiting Canada you'll need to check your health coverage. Medical coverage is provided to Canadian residents, not just anyone who happens to be in Canada at the time.)

She probably already had an epiglottis. At least I hope so.

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Post by hurricanetc »

thinkingemote wrote: post #185
hurricanetc wrote: post #145

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We could have stopped it completely with total travel bans but the WHO advised against it because it could be damaging to the world economy. Why is the WHO concerned about the economy? Well I have no idea. And is this virus going pandemic going to be more or less economically painful than the travel bans might have been? My guess would be we will feel significantly more pain from a pandemic.

Travel bans were also advised against for another reason: People will always break the travel ban, and they will actively avoid law enforcement especially when they get sick, meaning that infections will spread worse and be harder to control than if you let people in but keep a track of them. Restrict and monitor is better than a ban.

It’s pretty difficult to cross the ocean by yourself. The only way for this virus to have infected Japan or the US is via plane or boat. Both could have been prevented.

What will be more damaging to Japans economy? Banning travel to and from China or dealing with widespread panic, disease, and death?

You restrict and monitor if the bans fail. Which is the only thing we can do now because the incompetent WHO blasted any country or person who suggested travel bans would help.

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Post by hurricanetc »

gnud wrote: post #158
hurricanetc wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WHO has come across as pretty incompetent in my opinion. We could have stopped this disease from spreading outside of China but the WHO consistently downplayed the severity and claimed travel bans were overkill and would be too damaging economically. Now they’re saying it’s likely too late to contain the virus. Well I wonder what will be more damaging to the economy? The proposed travel bans or the catastrophic e…

Do you remember the uproar and all the anti-vaccine sentiment after WHO was seen to "cry wolf" during the last H1N1 outbreak in 2014 or so? That's probably the reason they were more careful this time. It's hard to know early on exactly how a disease will spread, and how dangerous it will turn out to be.

If the WHO is scared to be aggressive in their recommendations because of blowback six years ago then they are even more incompetent than I thought.

It’s not as if outbreaks like this happen often. It would be difficult for the WHO to be labeled as overreacting when they only get an opportunity to react once or twice a decade.

The fact that it’s hard to know how dangerous a disease will be is a reason to be extra careful, not the other way around. Not knowing how dangerous something is doesn’t mean we should blunder forward and hope for the best.

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Post by danielg6 »

tomp wrote: post #153
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #82

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Right, but stressing the importance of avoiding "hysteria and panic" is also extremely popular with authoritarian regimes justifying censorship and trying to cover up their own incompetence. There was a window of opportunity during which this virus could have been contained. The Chinese dictatorship has squandered it in the name of "avoiding panic and hysteria". Panic and hysteria should be avoided by being transpare…

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What does non-discrimination and political correctness have to do with the white Americans that were evacuated from Wuhan lmao? And the ones that returned from China in general? Or for that matter, American citizens in general?

Also, the U.S. has banned flights to/from certain countries during certain times.

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Post by skrause »

testvox wrote: post #176
skrause wrote: post #141

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> Being sick means being unpaid, and many people cannot afford to go unpaid. In Germany being sick means full payment by the employer for 6 weeks, after that you'll receive around 90% of your last net income by your healh insurance company for 72 weeks , after that slightly lower unemployment payments for another 12 month. So around 2.5 years of being sick are required until you're actually unpaid.

What is full payment if you are paid hourly?

You get paid as if you had worked the full amount of hours in your employment contract.

Zero-hour contracts are illegal in Germany.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

zeveb wrote: post #159
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #117

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Not working while ill is a fundamental human right, and as such is implemented in all European jurisdictions. There are very, very few cases when you can't exercise this right. Not wanting to is another issue though, but it's often irrational.

> Not working while ill is a fundamental human right, and as such is implemented in all European jurisdictions. It's also implemented in all U.S. jurisdictions, for everyone except for prisoners: per the 13th Amendment, no-one not convicted of a crime can be forced to perform any work.

You left out the part where they don’t have to pay you and can fire you. Not the same as in Europe.
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