AB2712 – California Universal Basic Income
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AB2712 – California Universal Basic Income
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#2Good - let's have a real world test and see whether there is something behind UBI as a concept.
And perhaps this'll be the first program to survive the trolls and nay-sayers who will find the smallest niche failures and sspout the "If ANYONE falls through the cracks it's a FAILURE!"
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#3It seems that the line at the bottom about the 10% VAT on many goods and services seems just as interesting as the UBI (especially when the UBI seems to exclude many of the poorest Californians).
I wonder how they will administer the VAT without other states cooperating with them.
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#4States solving their own problems. If it's also properly funded by the state, it's the way it should be.
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#5I’m in favor of UBI, but it only works with floors on housing, healthcare, and possibly even food (which are more or less in place through ag subsidies anyway). All of this will just be eaten up by rents and rising healthcare costs, and means testing it makes it even more absurd, as it will exclude most vulnerable populations.
Given the recent state-wide rent control, it’s hard to see this as anything other than a sop to landlords.
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#6Gavin Newsom is a weak leader. He can't control his party so we see no alignment on common-sense high-priority issues like housing and instead get DOA poppycock like this. Voters need to take Newsom to task for wasting this mandate. Will anything of merit result from the Democrat monopoly on power in Sacramento? BTW this is just Evan Low trying to break out and make a name for himself with high-profile publicity-stunt legislation.
Re: AB2712 – California Universal Basic Income
#7> (b) California residents who are 18 years of age or older and receiving benefits under the Medi-Cal program, the County Medical Services Program, the CalFresh program, the CalWORKs program, or Unemployment Insurance shall not be eligible to receive a universal basic income under the CalUBI Program.
I must be misunderstanding something. If you're unemployed and getting unemployment benefits you don't get your UBI? Isn't that part of the point of UBI?
Edit: Thanks to everyone helping me understand what I was missing!
Re: AB2712 – California Universal Basic Income
#8States solving their own problems. If it's also properly funded by the state, it's the way it should be.
It says it will be funded by a 10% VAT.
Re: AB2712 – California Universal Basic Income
#9Good - let's have a real world test and see whether there is something behind UBI as a concept. And perhaps this'll be the first program to survive the trolls and nay-sayers who will find the smallest niche failures and sspout the "If ANYONE falls through the cracks it's a FAILURE!"
It’s not UBI if you means test a lot of the poor out of it, which this bill actually does. Instead, it’s just going to push them even further away from things like stable housing, as landlords jack up rents to eat it all up.
Re: AB2712 – California Universal Basic Income
#10Good - let's have a real world test and see whether there is something behind UBI as a concept. And perhaps this'll be the first program to survive the trolls and nay-sayers who will find the smallest niche failures and sspout the "If ANYONE falls through the cracks it's a FAILURE!"
I think the issue is usually the money isn't enough to be meaningfully helpful and the cost of running the program is too high to be sustainable.
However, I think another real world test to join the others is fine. You don't know the result until you do the experiment.