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Why smart hardworking people don't become successful (2018)

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Re: Why smart hardworking people don't become successful (2018)

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This article glosses over the fact, known to us who have witnessed humans up close in business environments, that success is almost entirely political within an organization.

One would think that being smart should be an asset when playing politics, though.

Smart people I know tend to make their own decisions, including whether to participate in specific games or not.

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This article glosses over the fact, known to us who have witnessed humans up close in business environments, that success is almost entirely political within an organization.

One would think that being smart should be an asset when playing politics, though.

Playing politics might be to abstract of a term. How about if someone in a position of power above you likes you or not. If say your bosses boss thinks your amazing then they can pull you up. Keep in mind though this big boss might only want to pull you up to undermine your current boss. that's the political part.

Re: Why smart hardworking people don't become successful (2018)

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This doesn't mention charisma, and the fact that smart hardworking people often lack it.

From what I have observed charisma is by far the number one factor for success. It's more significant than hard work, intelligence/IQ, appearance, or the quality of one's ideas. You can put charisma behind an obviously stupid idea and get quite a bit of traction. It does often fail eventually but the charismatic founder often profits nonetheless and moves on to something else.

Charisma is so powerful that I find it disturbing. I've watched people who really ought to know better become transfixed at the presence of a charismatic person even if the stuff coming out of their mouth is nonsense. I think it works so well because it bypasses the rational mind and speaks directly to the brain stem and says "I am big alpha, follow me and I will get you food and safety" or similar. It speaks to the most ancient parts of the brain.

I don't mean to sound totally negative. Like any power it can be used for both good and evil. It's just that I've mostly observed it being used for evil in today's world.

Re: Why smart hardworking people don't become successful (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you agree that working hard will generate more opportunities to be lucky?

So does buying more lottery tickets. Surely, the odds at being lucky are better than in playing lottery. However, they are much less predictable than people assume. We tend to systematically overestimate our own influence and underestimate external factors.

Then why do we value talented people at all? How much of their work is luck and how much is talent? If not much is talent, then I should be able to get lucky with people who aren't talented.

Re: Why smart hardworking people don't become successful (2018)

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> But as I grew older, I realized that’s not necessarily the case. A few people I know who are intelligent and have a strong work ethic have gone on to do notable things, while many others are doing fine. Unfortunately, there are some that drift along, unsure about what to do. Not all who wander are lost. This post is terrible advice, it's like a sermon from the Church of the Silicon Bubble. Smart but not successful?…

thank god for a voice of reason. I love this damn site.

Re: Why smart hardworking people don't become successful (2018)

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There is a more basic reason missed by the article: many smart, hardworking people don't know how to sell. Almost everything in life, regardless of what you work on, is selling and no one is born with this particular skill set. You learn it like any other.

It was likely the single most valuable skill I (eventually) learned, as a "smart hardworking people" by nature.

Re: Why smart hardworking people don't become successful (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention one of the most important factors of all: luck. But survivorship bias means we assume all successful people hold a unique skill and wisdom that, if we only did the same, we'd find similar success.

Would you agree that working hard will generate more opportunities to be lucky?

I would agree that having wealthy parents generates a lot more opportunities to be lucky.

Re: Why smart hardworking people don't become successful (2018)

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This article glosses over the fact, known to us who have witnessed humans up close in business environments, that success is almost entirely political within an organization.

One would think that being smart should be an asset when playing politics, though.

I think you really illustrate GP's point in a fantastic way. Let's define "smart" as the kind of smarts that would be in abundance on HN: Technical smarts, rapid learning smarts, knowledge smarts, creative smarts, idea smarts.

A smart person might be good at school and individual contribuitorship, and so believe that they should naturally be good at political games as well. But truly, politics takes a whole other set of smarts and the things that make you an excellent IC do not much overlap with things that make you good at the political game: charisma, selling, risk-taking, deep emotional intelligence, extroversion, strategic intuition, sociopathy, commanding presence.

Many smart engineers can't even see see that the game is being played or they realize it long after the match has been won. They are not the players, but the pieces on the board.

Re: Why smart hardworking people don't become successful (2018)

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This article glosses over the fact, known to us who have witnessed humans up close in business environments, that success is almost entirely political within an organization.

One would think that being smart should be an asset when playing politics, though.

Politics require social skills, being smart is detrimental because it lets you see thru all the bullshit.

Re: Why smart hardworking people don't become successful (2018)

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Success as defined by society isn't always what smart people aspire to.

``Thus is happened he became neither musician nor poet - - if we use this latter term in its every-day acceptation. Or it might have been that he neglected to become either, merely in pursuance of his idea that, while a high order of genius is necessarily ambitious, the highest is above that which is termed ambition? And may it not thus happen that many far greater than Milton have contentedly remained `mute and inglorious'? I believe that the world has never seen -- and that, unless through some series of accidents goading the noblest order of mind into distasteful execution, the world will never see -- that full extent of triumphant execution, in the richer domains of art, of which the human nature is absolutely capable.''

-- Edgar Allan Poe (``The Domain of Arnheim'')

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