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EU Commission to staff: Switch to Signal messaging app

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Re: EU Commission to staff: Switch to Signal messaging app

#151
Because LEOs are oversteping their mark by a billion each and every fucking day, but the populace is too fucking computer illiterate to understand that ”data reading” (the norwegian euphemism for hacking into citizens computers) is extremly damaging to the fundamental concept of democracy.

ACAB

Re: EU Commission to staff: Switch to Signal messaging app

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The Dutch government is also often terrible at managing IT projects. It seems an industry has evolved to game the public procurement rules required by the EU. Those companies just leech money for never-ending IT projects that tend to be over budget, over time, and working poorly.

at least the Dutch sites work. try a post communist country gov site and you'll start appreciating it right away.

I don't doubt there are countries that are worse at it, but "the Dutch sites work" is not always true, or sometimes true for questionable definitions of "work".

I mean, we've got this nice secure login system for government sites: DigiD, which works fine. So you need that to submit your taxes. A few years ago, it turned out you needed any valid DigiD to submit your taxes, not necessarily your own. There are tons of other sites that cost many millions, and resulted in an atrocious user experience. And some projects simply failed after going way over budget.

Re: EU Commission to staff: Switch to Signal messaging app

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As an EU citizen I think that's a great decision.

Is there no open source or European alternative? Just keep relying on some Californian dude that insist i give him my and my friends phone numbers? And harass me so i give him more info to “personalize my profile” !?

There are, but it should be simple enough for non-techies (politicians) to understand. They could use Threema (Swiss) or Wire, but either-way it's better than plain SMS.

Re: EU Commission to staff: Switch to Signal messaging app

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Having worked at a company in public procurement I would say that matches my experience. I would say we were relatively honest compared to some of our competitors, but there were almost no incentives for us developers to do a good job other than our personal morals and everyone including us were more or less gaming the system. I hated working there because I felt like a parasite just making the world worse. The in-ho…

This story is fascinating, do you know where I can read more about public procurement?

For a semi-fictional humorous take on American military procurement watch the movie The Pentagon Wars

Re: EU Commission to staff: Switch to Signal messaging app

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Is there no open source or European alternative? Just keep relying on some Californian dude that insist i give him my and my friends phone numbers? And harass me so i give him more info to “personalize my profile” !?

How does he harass you?!

- I added a first name to my conversation contacts, but it keeps showing the phone number. In the app and in notifications.

- There is a fixed pop under at the bottom of the screen asking me to confirm my profile name, with “Get Started” or “remind me later” (which is apparently every time i come back to the app), and no “never“ option. I had already put a first name but that’s not good enough. Had to do it again to confirm i don’t want to share a last name with him / them.

- why does he care about the distinction between a “first name” (mandatory) and “Last Name” (optional)

-> Only the user should care about the name.

=> Why should the app / he / them get access to my contacts list to update a contact name? I’m perfectly willing to have duplicate contacts siloed in a “secure messaging app”.

Also, could someone explain why the app need phone numbers ? They only send some initial token over SMS, which can be spoofed.

Re: EU Commission to staff: Switch to Signal messaging app

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My understanding is that US Senators already use it. At least there was a headline on HN ages back. The main issue with apps like Signal in my opinion comes from apps that snoop on your screen. I wouldnt be surprised if there are rogue custom keyboards that do this. I would be more worried if only communist / socialist nations (you all know the ones I am talking about, not sure of a better name so calling them what t…

> "communist / socialist nations (you all know the ones I am talking about, not sure of a better name so calling them what they claim to be)" "Totalitarian" would be a better word, I think. This isn't specific to economic systems, it's about governments wanting to control the communication of their citizens (or subjects, I guess). > "If the NSA advises against Signal that might be another concern. It might mean a for…

Well I'd need to hear their reasons for it, but yeah. I should of phrased it better: in the event that the NSA advises people to upgrade Signal versions or something of the sort. Though this is much less likely than them advising something as much more mainstream as Windows.

Totalitarian is probably closer to the word I was trying to think of.

Re: EU Commission to staff: Switch to Signal messaging app

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They should use Threema [1] which is based in Switzerland. Even though Switzerland is not in the EU it's not as bad as the US (from an EU standpoint) and since Switzerland is heavily dependent on the EU the likelihood of them spying on the EU is pretty small. Apart from that Threema publishes a transparency report [2] where they list all requests from governmental authorities.

[1]: https://threema.ch/en

[2]: https://threema.ch/en/transparencyreport

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Re: EU Commission to staff: Switch to Signal messaging app

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How is something that's tied to your phone number "secure"? The communications are encrypted, but my identity is public.

Security is not the same thing as anonymity. Maybe Signal's design goals just don't align with your requirements, and that's okay. But that doesn't mean that it can't be the right tool for people with a different set of requirements.

Well, besides anonymity, my requirements for a reliable communication method include not being tied to my phone.

Re: EU Commission to staff: Switch to Signal messaging app

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France developed their own matrix protocol based network called tchap. Great idea for a nation that wants to stay independent in an increasingly american/chinese tech dependent world.

Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that - https://medium.com/@fs0c131y/tchap-the-super-not-secure-app-...

This is a good story, but the title seems needlessly clickbait. The flaw was fixed rather quickly, the process for communicating the issue did not seem to be a hassle.

It does not really say that the app is "super not secure". Just that people make mistakes, and it's not even shameful the way they reacted to it.

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