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Inrupt, Tim Berners-Lee's Solid, and Me

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Re: Inrupt, Tim Berners-Lee's Solid, and Me

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Post by pencilcode »

borjamoya wrote: post #14

The problem I have with these sort of initiatives is that they don't solve the real problem. Here's the thing: I want to own some of my data, but I don't want to own most of it, because it shouldn't be collected in the first place. Solid and other alike work in theory, but in practice I have some serious doubts. I believe that instead of owning your data is far much better to camouflage or destroy your data before it…

If users could see the data that was collected about them, like solid proposes, some of it would never be collected anyway. And if it was, it could easily be destroyed, revoked access to, etc

Re: Inrupt, Tim Berners-Lee's Solid, and Me

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Post by pencilcode »

tchaffee wrote: post #33
fulafel wrote: post #12

> at this point, I feel that I should only work on things that matter to society I wish more people in tech did this.

Don't they already? The people in society pay for what matters to them. I think the real truth trying to get out here is that we wish what matters to society were different.

That is a simplistic view. People also pay for what society values, ie systemic pressures, which is why different cultures and in different epochs value things differently. Eg before people would give a monthly donation to church because they believed it would help getting into heaven.

Re: Inrupt, Tim Berners-Lee's Solid, and Me

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Post by threatofrain »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #40
koevet wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would people accept their data to be harvested? I guess money could be an incentive, which is quite interesting because it would fundamentally revert the power dynamics between the big data abuser and the people. Lots of food for thought.

>Why would people accept their data to be harvested? Same as always, to get services free of charge. If I want my photos to be searchable, I'm going to have to let someone run their AI on them. As an iPhone user, I have my photos in iCloud. I'm paying for it through high device prices and storage fees. But as Apple's business model is to sell expensive devices, they won't let me securely share my photos with my wife…

To add another item to your list, when you're in Apple News and maybe you're reading a free online publication like The Hill, there's no obvious access to Safari, and when you try to share the link it's an Apple News link. There used to be an easy way to get to Safari until recently.

Come on Apple.

Re: Inrupt, Tim Berners-Lee's Solid, and Me

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Post by discreteevent »

tchaffee wrote: post #33
fulafel wrote: post #12

> at this point, I feel that I should only work on things that matter to society I wish more people in tech did this.

Don't they already? The people in society pay for what matters to them. I think the real truth trying to get out here is that we wish what matters to society were different.

Buyer beware. I don't want that. I like the fact that there are building regulations where some official decided what was good for me because I don't have the time or knowledge to work it out.

Re: Inrupt, Tim Berners-Lee's Solid, and Me

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Post by [deleted] »

zuckluni wrote: post #20

I'm more pessimistic. The internet and the apps we use frequently are like a public utility. The space is undergoing an era of massive consolidation and centralization. This happened with railroads, and electricity, in the past. That period of consolidation was never followed by counterbalanced period of decentralization , a period of people operating their own mini-rail-car services, or micro power plants (solar, bu…

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Re: Inrupt, Tim Berners-Lee's Solid, and Me

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Post by morelisp »

atoav wrote: post #39
dataduck wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What ad networks do is the digital equivalent of filming and spying on people who walk by your storefront. Which is also legal, at least in the UK, and not many people have a problem with it. I think well-known, major abuses will need to occur before people take this seriously.

It is not legal in Germany and Austria at least. The UK is one of the most surveilled places in Europe.

Some of the new JCDecaux digital signage I've seen in Berlin definitely seems to have a camera lens on its top. There's no posted notice concerning video recording, but I wonder if it's just a lens with no camera, a camera but not attached to the rest of the device, or only disabled in software.

Re: Inrupt, Tim Berners-Lee's Solid, and Me

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Post by pencilcode »

kick wrote: post #7
naner wrote: post #2

Projects like this never seem to pan out. It solves a problem people should care about but most aren't motivated to act on.

It doesn't actually solve the problem, which is something you would have imagined they would have thought out from the beginning. They basically admit, outright, that their proposed solution doesn't solve the problem: The ideal would be for this to be completely distributed. Everyone's pod would be on a computer they own, running on their network. But that's not how it's likely to be in real life. Just as you can the…

That’s why the protocol is open, so there will be multiple players. They will naturally converge like we currently have but that’s not what’s game changing. The game changer is the visibility and control of what data is collected about you.

Re: Inrupt, Tim Berners-Lee's Solid, and Me

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Post by pencilcode »

kick wrote: post #7
naner wrote: post #2

Projects like this never seem to pan out. It solves a problem people should care about but most aren't motivated to act on.

It doesn't actually solve the problem, which is something you would have imagined they would have thought out from the beginning. They basically admit, outright, that their proposed solution doesn't solve the problem: The ideal would be for this to be completely distributed. Everyone's pod would be on a computer they own, running on their network. But that's not how it's likely to be in real life. Just as you can the…

The router thing is just a possible future and not the most likely even if it succeeds.

Re: Inrupt, Tim Berners-Lee's Solid, and Me

#50

Post by fauigerzigerk »

threatofrain wrote: post #43
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why would people accept their data to be harvested? Same as always, to get services free of charge. If I want my photos to be searchable, I'm going to have to let someone run their AI on them. As an iPhone user, I have my photos in iCloud. I'm paying for it through high device prices and storage fees. But as Apple's business model is to sell expensive devices, they won't let me securely share my photos with my wife…

To add another item to your list, when you're in Apple News and maybe you're reading a free online publication like The Hill, there's no obvious access to Safari, and when you try to share the link it's an Apple News link. There used to be an easy way to get to Safari until recently. Come on Apple.

The way I do it is to share with Safari from Apple News and then share with Email from Safari. Yes it's ridiculous.

Also, regardless of any privacy settings, Apple News keeps showing me Amazon ads for stuff I bought on Amazon. It drains my battery as well.

So I'm not really keen on using it anyway.

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