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Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering interviews”

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Re: Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering interviews”

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post #7

Honestly, I think until FAANG start doing something else, the vast majority of tech/semi-tech companies will just copy them. A few smaller companies might branch out and try some other stuff, but most people hiring at mid and large size companies are just trying to minimize risk more than go grab that great diamond in the rough. If the big guys are doing X, the medium guys are gonna keep doing X also.

Google stopped asking logic riddles, so things can definitely improve. Maybe FAANG-style interviews are the least worst option we have right now.

Re: Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering interviews”

#22

> I am completely depressed because I can’t get a job”, “I will never succeed in this industry I thought there was a shortage of software engineers right now? Although I just got an email from Glassdoor with estimated salary (in the Bay Area) being 5-10k lower than the last email, so who knows.

I think that’s a media talking point to drive down wages. There are definitely jobs, the amount quality and reliability are decreasing.

Re: Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering interviews”

#23
The “hopeless list”, no. 3:

“If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole.”

This pretty much sums up my impression of these hiring managers that crank the bar sky-high: they are assholes through-and-through, and are full of shit to boot.

If you crank the bar sky-high, all you will get are two kinds of people: those that interview/test well, but fail at the job, or those who can do both but will put a crater a mile wide into your payroll due to their high demand garnering an equally high paycheque.

Anyone who isn’t quite at nosebleed levels of competency can grow into their roles and skill sets. Yes, they won’t be able to hit the ground running, and yes, they will have a higher than comfortable drag-to-thrust ratio, BUT THAT CLEARS UP IN TIME, WITH SUFFICIENT GUIDANCE AND MENTORSHIP.

Re: Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering interviews”

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> I am completely depressed because I can’t get a job”, “I will never succeed in this industry I thought there was a shortage of software engineers right now? Although I just got an email from Glassdoor with estimated salary (in the Bay Area) being 5-10k lower than the last email, so who knows.

A lot of misinformation is pumped out at the cost of those being misinformed for the benefit of those pumping out misinformation.

All of this is well orchestrated by large tech companies in an effort to drive down labor costs. The problem is, there's an assumption that the current labor market is just asking too much.

I think looking at the current labor market landscape, practices in place industry wide (e.g., agile, interview processes, etc.) were starting to see labor market feedback that this simply isn't the case. Development is hard, it's time consuming, expensive, and requires a lot of active practice--no matter how much you want to drive labor costs down.

Ultimately I hope the entire strategy backfires and we turn away talent industry wide to other sectors and then there truly are shortages resulting in businesses pushing these practices unable of maintaining their businesses and forcing them to scale back--wishful thinking though.

Re: Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering interviews”

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post #2

This is surprisingly better than the usual "You won't believe what happened after my article got on Hacker News" post (yes, that's a genre) so I'm going to put it in the second-chance pool [1] after turning the knob down on the title. [1] described at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380 if you don't recognize the term

Interesting post for sure. Glad it got a second chance. Speaking of the second chance, from the link you referenced https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380 In that comment you said > I want to turn this system into something that's open to all users who want to take time to review stories. We'll make it a form of community service that will be a new way to earn karma. However, it's still an open question how to…

Still thinking about it, still want to, haven't worked on it yet, will at some point.

Edit: if anyone wants to be a story reviewer, find 3 submissions that got posted to HN but didn't get attention, which you think the community might like and which gratify intellectual curiosity (i.e. aren't interesting just for sensational reasons). Oh, and which you're not personally connected to. Then email them to us at hn@ycombinator.com.

For examples, you can see a partial list of stories that were picked in this way here: https://news.ycombinator.com/invited. Those are ones where we invited a repost because the original submission was too old to re-up, but the criteria are the same. We'll publish the full list at some point.

Re: Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering interviews”

#30
post #23

The “hopeless list”, no. 3: “If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole.” This pretty much sums up my impression of these hiring managers that crank the bar sky-high: they are assholes through-and-through, and are full of shit to boot. If you crank the bar sky-high, all you will get are two kinds of people: those that interview/test well, b…

But while they are getting guidance and mentorship, they are not being a productive member of the team, taking time away from experienced developers and as soon as they level up they will change companies and the next company didn’t have to invest training time.

I know everyone has to start somewhere but from the company’s perspective, hiring a junior developer doesn’t make sense.

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