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India is the next internet frontier (2018)

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Re: India is the next internet frontier (2018)

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Post by terminaljunkid »

cvrjk wrote: post #5
iamgopal wrote: post #2

There is a revolution boiling. Jio not just made internet accessible, it became catalyst in braking the barrier of classes and location and thinking, and education. The whole importance of it will be felt in coming decades if not years. It's crazy out here.

I am all for cheaper and accessible internet, but I have a few concerns. On pricing, the incumbents really needed a jolt with their terrible pricing. But I think Jio went a little too far. It achieved all that it has by excessive and extended predatory pricing, primarily because it had access to unprecedented amounts of cash (from Ambani/Reliance) that the other providers do not. Vodafone-Idea and Airtel (the other m…

> I am not sure if India is ready to deal with unchecked free flow of information

Fellow Indian, 100% agreed. Most of people who told me Wikipedia was unreliable now trust random WhatsApp forward messages.

Re: India is the next internet frontier (2018)

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Post by thunderbong »

cvrjk wrote: post #5
iamgopal wrote: post #2

There is a revolution boiling. Jio not just made internet accessible, it became catalyst in braking the barrier of classes and location and thinking, and education. The whole importance of it will be felt in coming decades if not years. It's crazy out here.

I am all for cheaper and accessible internet, but I have a few concerns. On pricing, the incumbents really needed a jolt with their terrible pricing. But I think Jio went a little too far. It achieved all that it has by excessive and extended predatory pricing, primarily because it had access to unprecedented amounts of cash (from Ambani/Reliance) that the other providers do not. Vodafone-Idea and Airtel (the other m…

The Vice article [0] shows videos in three languages - English, Hindi and Haryanvi.

[0]: https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/jgedjb/the-first-use-of-d...

Re: India is the next internet frontier (2018)

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Post by prtsh »

kumarm wrote: post #6
prtsh wrote: post #3

factual error - "almost a third of the unconnected are in India". It should be "almost a quarter of the unconnected are in india.". 0.9B of 3.5B. There are ~550M internet users in India (2019), that leaves out ~750 million unconnected users. 150M less than 0.9B. There are other factual errors as well. Real sloppy journalism.

The article is from 2018 as mentioned in title.

2018? then it is "even more" incorrect.

What's up with the downvotes? The journalist hasn't done the math and has blown up the numbers to increase the significance of the article. This is a real pervasive problem.

Re: India is the next internet frontier (2018)

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Post by wbl »

cvrjk wrote: post #5
iamgopal wrote: post #2

There is a revolution boiling. Jio not just made internet accessible, it became catalyst in braking the barrier of classes and location and thinking, and education. The whole importance of it will be felt in coming decades if not years. It's crazy out here.

I am all for cheaper and accessible internet, but I have a few concerns. On pricing, the incumbents really needed a jolt with their terrible pricing. But I think Jio went a little too far. It achieved all that it has by excessive and extended predatory pricing, primarily because it had access to unprecedented amounts of cash (from Ambani/Reliance) that the other providers do not. Vodafone-Idea and Airtel (the other m…

Bad news for Reliance, great news for India. Speculative excess can be great for society.

Re: India is the next internet frontier (2018)

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Post by [deleted] »

prtsh wrote: post #13
kumarm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is from 2018 as mentioned in title.

2018? then it is "even more" incorrect. What's up with the downvotes? The journalist hasn't done the math and has blown up the numbers to increase the significance of the article. This is a real pervasive problem.

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Re: India is the next internet frontier (2018)

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Post by prtsh »

prtsh wrote: post #3

factual error - "almost a third of the unconnected are in India". It should be "almost a quarter of the unconnected are in india.". 0.9B of 3.5B. There are ~550M internet users in India (2019), that leaves out ~750 million unconnected users. 150M less than 0.9B. There are other factual errors as well. Real sloppy journalism.

Let's try to have a healthy criticism here, both sides, starting with the article in hand. There is no denying that India is at the frontier, but at least we can maintain a basic level of sanity when it comes to quantifying by how much "India is at the forefront".

Re: India is the next internet frontier (2018)

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Post by walrus01 »

I don't doubt that for most of India, most of the time, vast numbers of people now have new LTE services on their phone that were previously unavailable to them.

Meanwhile, the Indian government thinks it can order ISPs to shut down Internet services in wide geographic regions for long periods of time:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50819905

https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/telecom/internet/how-the...

Government attempts at censorship are constant and ongoing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_India

Doesn't exactly seem like a bastion of Internet freedom to me.

Re: India is the next internet frontier (2018)

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Post by pkaye »

iamgopal wrote: post #2

There is a revolution boiling. Jio not just made internet accessible, it became catalyst in braking the barrier of classes and location and thinking, and education. The whole importance of it will be felt in coming decades if not years. It's crazy out here.

What happens when the competing providers are killed out?

Re: India is the next internet frontier (2018)

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Post by hutzlibu »

terminaljunkid wrote: post #11
cvrjk wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am all for cheaper and accessible internet, but I have a few concerns. On pricing, the incumbents really needed a jolt with their terrible pricing. But I think Jio went a little too far. It achieved all that it has by excessive and extended predatory pricing, primarily because it had access to unprecedented amounts of cash (from Ambani/Reliance) that the other providers do not. Vodafone-Idea and Airtel (the other m…

> I am not sure if India is ready to deal with unchecked free flow of information Fellow Indian, 100% agreed. Most of people who told me Wikipedia was unreliable now trust random WhatsApp forward messages.

But this is just stupidity. Does exist also a lot in the western world, but I don't see, how that can improved with restricting information flow?
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