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Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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Post by erikbye »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #146
shepardrtc wrote: post #116

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> Huh. I'd say the examples are perfectly good and on-point. While dealing with autoexec.bat and random BSODs wasn't fun, it's entirely orthogonal to the fact that a DOS-era POS still offers orders of magnitude better UX than current-era browser POSes, or than most web apps for that matter. What are you talking about? How in the world is a DOS that can only run a single app at a time better than a system that can run…

> How in the world is a DOS that can only run a single app at a time better than a system that can run dozens of apps at once? > How is non-multitasking a better experience? If you only use the device for one task, such as a point-of-sale system, or menu display system, then multitasking support is not needed.

Besides, you could multitask using software like DESQview.

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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Post by erikbye »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #380
erikbye wrote: post #374

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> Do you really believe that the resources available in 1983 are even in the same category as the current ones? No, I never wrote anything remotely close to suggest so, if by "in the same category" you mean volume. If you implied quality, well, that is another matter. There is so much low-quality content online; you could argue it makes enough noise to drown out the high-quality content. The first search results are…

> you could argue it makes enough noise to drown out the high-quality content > I would even suggest many learned better before the Internet. Ok Boomer.

Your response contributes nothing of value and is better suited to Reddit.

Anyway: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=internet+attention+span

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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Post by erikbye »

SilasX wrote: post #315
dsalzman wrote: post #3

Previous discussion - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21835417

Can the mods un-dupe this? That was 2 months ago, and it's generated fruitful discussion on a hacker-relevant matter. Certainly more relevant than the Atlas Obscura "look at this quirky history" articles that get upvoted so much.

I appreciate re-posts when they receive new insightful comments, but 60ish days is perhaps a bit on the short side? However, this re-post now has 300+ comments and has justified its existence.

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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Post by ryanlol »

tom75 wrote: post #379
ryanlol wrote: post #75

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I run xmonad on Debian bullseye with 5.5.3-grsec kernel, it’s definitely snappy. There’s no perceptible input lag, even when testing using the iPhone slo-mo thingy. I mostly use Chromium, electrum, signal-desktop and urxvt. Everything goes to shit as soon as you install one of those “desktop environments” though.

No one can get any more the grsec patch... Post grsecurity/kconfig file on github or pastebin for view...

Buy it. Perhaps your employer will pay for it?

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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Post by tom75 »

ryanlol wrote: post #384
tom75 wrote: post #379

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No one can get any more the grsec patch... Post grsecurity/kconfig file on github or pastebin for view...

Buy it. Perhaps your employer will pay for it?

He only sells to the company, not to an individual.

That's what I thought, you didn't...

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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Post by choward »

michaelfeathers wrote: post #27

When an area of engineering is new we make products better than the market will eventually pay for. Over time, we learn how to make them just good enough to reach an equilibrium in a market. This is an idea that is explored in _The World Without Us_ by Alan Wiesman. The Roman Colosseum still stands, but buildings today don't need to be that durable. It would cost significantly more to make them that way, so we don't.…

> The same could be said about supersonic travel. We could do it again, but enough of us are happy to not pay the premium, so that product has disappeared.

That and sonic booms.

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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Post by choward »

squiggleblaz wrote: post #11
stopads wrote: post #5

It boggles my mind how terrible the web is becoming on lower end connections. I have about 200ms of delay to most servers and about 5Mbit of bandwidth, and many major web pages take over 30 seconds to load if I don't block most of the assets. It's insane that webpages are now loading megabytes of data across hundreds of http requests before the images even start downloading. I've completely given up on the mobile web…

> I've completely given up on the mobile web since I can't block things the way I need to. Can't you just use uBlock Origin with Firefox Mobile and run it behind a localhost VPN like Blokada? It's not perfect but it seems enough for me. A different localhost VPN will probably give you even better results, if you customise it to your specific purpose.

Pihole with wireguard works very good but there's a little bit of effort required to set it up.

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983 (2017)

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Post by nineteen999 »

IggleSniggle wrote: post #65
dayvid wrote: post #12

I remember turning on the computer and waiting for the motherboard company logo to finish flashing. After that was the Windows logo. I also remember waiting for the dial-up modem to connect to the internet and waiting hours for a video to download. Heck, last week I played a game streaming on GeForceNow and I was surprised by how seamless the whole experience was. Maybe some web apps are inconvenient, but you can eas…

...I'm a little confused. My computer still flashes the motherboard manufacturer until the fans are all assessed and then the windows logo. And while my connection is fast, it's a lot less reliable than the one I had 20 years ago, with about three 15-minute disconnects per day on average (although that has more to do with the general shit-quality of the Comcast monopoly than anything else).

Desktop machines may POST at a reasonable speed, but enterprise servers are still damn slow to start. Whether its the HP servers we deployed a few years back, or the more recent UCS servers we are building our new platform on, it takes ages for them to get to booting the OS (ESXi).
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