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Amazon let a fraudster keep my Sony A74 IV and refunded him

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Re: Amazon let a fraudster keep my Sony A74 IV and refunded him

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post #130

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... you're going to travel to another state for this purpose?

The place the suitor lives is a perfectly fine venue... make the fraudster travel.

If they fail to show to court and/or lose, your state doesn't have much recourse or ability to rectify the situation, right?

Re: Amazon let a fraudster keep my Sony A74 IV and refunded him

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Wrong takeaway. If you're going to sell on Amazon, use FBA. A-z claims cannot be filed on FBA orders. If this is in fact your last sale on Amazon, and you no longer intend to do business with them, email Jeff@Amazon.com as a last resort. Keep in mind, that email should not be used lightly. Be succinct and stoic. Provide proof that you have done everything else to resolve the matter.

Meta takeaway, probably: A popular PetaPixel post that gets coverage on additional social platforms is your only form of recourse against Amazon.

I told Amazon was going to post a video to social of the third bad delivery at my apartment. It was so comical because even Amazon had posted signs on our property telling the delivery drivers what not to do. Yet the drivers did exactly that right in front of the sign.

The first two email complaints went unresponded to. After threatening to put on tiktok, I got a phone call from the regional director in charge of the deliveries within two days.

Re: Amazon let a fraudster keep my Sony A74 IV and refunded him

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This is such a basic issue that I don't understand why USPS or some other shipper w/ bricks-n-mortar haven't stepped up to offer some sort of package shipping certification. If I was the seller it could work as simply as me bringing the item to a shipper who would take their own photos and weigh the items being packaged up as well as some check that the item is as being described to the recipient. In turn the shipper…

"Screw the seller" is a proven winner for eBay, shipping services, credit card companies, etc. They are just following tradition.

Re: Amazon let a fraudster keep my Sony A74 IV and refunded him

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I'm getting ads that state if I buy the ad-purchaser's product on Amazon and leave a good review, they'll refund my money. Basically, they're ads that say "Free [Product]!" and when you click them, they ask you to purchase the product, leave a positive review and then they'll refund you.

I tried to look for a way to report the seller to Amazon, but from what I found, I need to have a seller account with Amazon to do so, which I don't. As a customer, I can't report the product without buying it first. Does anyone have a link or email I can use to reach out to someone at Amazon about this?

Some of these products have thousands of positive reviews[1]. I find it misleading, and to be a nuisance to consumers who rely on these reviews to guide their purchases. I don't know why Amazon makes it so difficult to report these fraud schemes.

Since I found it difficult to reach out to Amazon, I reported the seller to my state Attorney General's consumer protection division and to the FTC. Since then, I've gotten even more ads like this, and I don't have the time to report them all to agencies that may or may not follow up on my reports.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NRGR9LL

Re: Amazon let a fraudster keep my Sony A74 IV and refunded him

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> Too over simplified?? Probably. These shipping services don't really have any expertise to accurately judge the quality of many of the items they ship. They just move boxes around. Some rando at FexEx Office doesn't really know how to determine that your DSLR has the advertised shutter count, nor do they know how to verify the SMART status of those hard drives you shipped, nor would they be able to validate the aut…

> ...someone at FedEx doesn't really know how to... Yes, this is true. I think a basic service offering might just record the weight and photo of each item being packaged up.

That doesn’t really work as on if the common scams is to take a real box, apparently sealed, but with a brick or whatever in it with the right weight

Re: Amazon let a fraudster keep my Sony A74 IV and refunded him

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post #143

This is such a basic issue that I don't understand why USPS or some other shipper w/ bricks-n-mortar haven't stepped up to offer some sort of package shipping certification. If I was the seller it could work as simply as me bringing the item to a shipper who would take their own photos and weigh the items being packaged up as well as some check that the item is as being described to the recipient. In turn the shipper…

"Screw the seller" is a proven winner for eBay, shipping services, credit card companies, etc. They are just following tradition.

Amazon, eBay & Co. are kind of forced to inherit this from the credit card companies in any case.

Re: Amazon let a fraudster keep my Sony A74 IV and refunded him

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>I denied the return.

And that's your problem. If you deny a return within the return period, you're in violation of Amazon policy, and the A-Z team will rightly rule against you. The correct response is to accept the return, then deny a refund after it comes back to you because it wasn't sent back with the same accessories you sent it with.

Re: Amazon let a fraudster keep my Sony A74 IV and refunded him

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But wouldn't this become an issue between the seller and the buyer, if Amazon is "just adhering" to what is stipulated in the contract? To me this sounds like Amazon is saying "this is too complicated for us, and we don't see how to deal with it, because we don't know who's telling the truth". Like "If you've got a problem and a case, go to the police; not against us, but against the buyer".

Hmm, my first thought is: contacting a buyer outside of Amazon is against Amazon's TOS. But if the author isn't interested in using Amazon after this incident, Amazon's TOS don't matter much. I'd be interested to hear from someone with a bit more legal knowledge how this might go. It's a good thought for sure.

Amazon takes the position that this counts as "soliciting payments from buyers outside of Amazon", which is prohibited by the ToS.

See https://www.facebook.com/lalawgroup/posts/1719796444820559

My understanding is they sued the customer, Amazon stepped in to defend them, and they got a judgement against Amazon. But Amazon suspended their account in the meantime.

Re: Amazon let a fraudster keep my Sony A74 IV and refunded him

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post #137

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Why not take the buyer to small claims? Or at least, have a lawyer draft them a nice letter.

So travel to the jurisdiction of the buyer and file a small claims? How much time and money are you willing to spend?

A letter costs a couple hundred bucks at most. A state with a good attorney general might do it for free. The statistics are in your favor that you'd get your camera or your money just by sending a friendly letter on the right letterhead.

But even then, I'd take a day trip to Florida for $2905.99. Heck, this is a great time of the year to go, and I usually don't make any money when I go there.

Re: Amazon let a fraudster keep my Sony A74 IV and refunded him

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Wouldn't that be a good small claims court case? There's good documentation that the item has been shipped, and the seller is out of both the money and the camera.

Amazon may suspend your account for doing so. It happened in the case I linked at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22388122
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