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Why Germans won’t heat their homes even with free electricity?

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Re: Why Germans won’t heat their homes even with free electricity?

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I am European. I don't have a drier and I don't know why I should buy one. For me diers are just a waste of space and energy.

I'm curious: How do you handle clothes washing and drying?

I'm not the OP, but share his views.

I wash my clothes in the washing machine, then hang them to dry, that's all there is to it. It takes time (about a day) and some space for the clothes hanger in a rather small apartment, but that doesn't bother me.

Re: Why Germans won’t heat their homes even with free electricity?

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Here in UK on certain tariffs (Octopus Agile) price of electricity regularly falls below zero at night. If you have an electric car set to only charge when price of electricity is below zero, you're getting paid to charge your car.

Being in the UK myself, I'm curious about this.

Does Octopus provide the price of electricity at the current moment?

I had a quick look at their website but couldn't see anything obvious.

Re: Why Germans won’t heat their homes even with free electricity?

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post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious: How do you handle clothes washing and drying?

I'm not the OP, but share his views. I wash my clothes in the washing machine, then hang them to dry, that's all there is to it. It takes time (about a day) and some space for the clothes hanger in a rather small apartment, but that doesn't bother me.

Thank you.

But how do you hang wet clothes and not ruin your floors?

Sorry if I sound stupid. American apartments aren't set up for this and I would rather handle it this way and I've had challenges.

Re: Why Germans won’t heat their homes even with free electricity?

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I worked in the Utility Software area for a while. Everything related to energy in Germany looks like corruption if you look to closely. Everyone is buddies with someone in politics, otherwise screw your career. Laws are mainly pre written by the industry which is afraid of the risks associated with tackling the challenges involved in climate change. But also afraid of doing nothing, since this would make them clear…

"Laws are mainly pre written by the industry which is afraid..." That's actually how lots of laws are written. Because when politicians write new laws, they listen to expert opinion. And the best experts come - of course - from the relative industry.

Sometimes this makes sense, and sometimes to inane protection of incumbent interests like happened with digital content (it's illegal to copy the DVD you've purchased etc).

Re: Why Germans won’t heat their homes even with free electricity?

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I recall talking to some europeans and they said they like their driers, which only half dry clothes (they put them up on a line to finish) but use less energy. It's some sort of virtue thing, I guess.

Advertising is far ahead of you: the driers have a feature to keep the clothes just damp enough for perfect ironing. The same driers have A+++ energy ratings, because progress. They carefully avoid hinting at a connection between these two because the virtuous ones are not in the market for a drier.

Re: Why Germans won’t heat their homes even with free electricity?

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post #139

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Heat pumps vary widely in efficiency based on temperature and you don’t mention what you are using. It isn’t just efficiency but size. A heat pump that can work on the occasional very cold day is impractical.

Modern air pumps work with good efficiency even down to around -15c which is a rare temperature for post global warming world.

Except some places in Russia it's still common to go below -20, and in a post-global warming world, these areas will likely experience a new ice-age. Electricity is the best bet, as gas can freeze too, while copper just becomes able to carry higher loads.

Re: Why Germans won’t heat their homes even with free electricity?

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I'm somewhat shocked that they do they not load those subsidies onto the electricity charge on consumers as a tax and mean those that use more, pay more. That's what they do in the UK, though alas they loaded it onto the standing charge that is a flat rate per day for having a supply. Idealy it should be like personal TAX, you have a certain amount you get without being taxed, then after that you pay X amount until y…

> I'm somewhat shocked that they do they not load those subsidies onto the electricity charge on consumers as a tax

They do both. The fixed amount is (officially) for infrastructure improvements, but there is an additional tax for consumption per kWh.

> Of course you can allocate people a higher initial rate they can use without paying tax upon the charge for things like disabilities, health needs etc

Probably too burocratic and inefficient in practice. Energy just has to be affordable for any household.

Re: Why Germans won’t heat their homes even with free electricity?

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post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not the OP, but share his views. I wash my clothes in the washing machine, then hang them to dry, that's all there is to it. It takes time (about a day) and some space for the clothes hanger in a rather small apartment, but that doesn't bother me.

Thank you. But how do you hang wet clothes and not ruin your floors? Sorry if I sound stupid. American apartments aren't set up for this and I would rather handle it this way and I've had challenges.

Most washing machines have the spin cycle which removes almost all water that could drip out. So I haven't noticed any water that drips out as such. Also, you have a specific place in some apartments for this with different type of floor.

Re: Why Germans won’t heat their homes even with free electricity?

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post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not the OP, but share his views. I wash my clothes in the washing machine, then hang them to dry, that's all there is to it. It takes time (about a day) and some space for the clothes hanger in a rather small apartment, but that doesn't bother me.

Thank you. But how do you hang wet clothes and not ruin your floors? Sorry if I sound stupid. American apartments aren't set up for this and I would rather handle it this way and I've had challenges.

Unless I put too much in the washing machine that it can't spin properly, most things don't drip when they are hung up. And for thick wool jumpers that do drip we have a mesh thing to lay them on over the bathtub, and anyway the floor is tiled.
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