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Re: Ex-YC partner Daniel Gross rethinks the accelerator

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What's the best way to pitch Pioneer?

Not sure what you mean. To become a Pioneer, sign up (pioneer.app), rise up the leaderboard by making progress on your startup, and make the top 50 to be eligible to be selected. Not really a pitch-your-startup process to it.

This is for things that can be done in a few weeks. That feels like something that made more sense in the early days of the web or the early days of phone apps. Those fields are very crowded now.

Re: Ex-YC partner Daniel Gross rethinks the accelerator

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I have been 'playing' with pioneer.app for two month.

I kind of of like it. But I am biaised : I have always liked innovation...

Pioneer, the most consuming part is on Monday evening where I comment, judge 10 startup match. It take a few hours if you do it well. You are in a position like people at YC receiving pitchs. Most of people in my surroundings would find this 'job' painfull. I just love it. If you do it seriously, it's great to help creators, to give them a few advice sometimes, to celebrate their achievements. So yes, pioneer is-and-was a very good fit for me. And as a result, with my startup, I get often great advice. I would say a mix of many'consumer' advices (often), and entrepreneur cleaver ones (sometimes). The most interesting is perhaps to understand that, when a consumer critic comes back often and repeatedly, you, as a startup founder understands that THIS critic point has to be fix right away. It's clever ! In a way Pioneer's comments enlightens and ranks the differents small failures of your startup. Be it, the 'ugly web site' or other things...

In a way I find pioneer to be the more energetic and an interesting bijective experience, much more than Ycombinator. Because it successfully solves the big downside of YC as a startup founder : At YC you pitch, you describe everything of your startup. And then ... True(interview,great) or False (nope... ). I mean, there is no in-between : you do not know if you were far-away ranked or close to being accepted for an interview.

Here at pioneer.app the process of selection is crowd-sourced to us founders, and I believe it works : 1) I know my rank in a weekly base. It can be harsh but it's instructive. 2) I believe it scales better than YC in the Long run because us founders do the (tiring) selection process.

Re: Ex-YC partner Daniel Gross rethinks the accelerator

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I'm shocked by the lack of diversity of those who win Pioneer, given that this is supposed to democratize funding for anyone across the globe. Right now, it's mostly peer recognition which is prone to favor projects the dominant demographic finds cool. But I could see the competition based on revenue be more democratizing.

How about what it's like to be Asian and apply to Harvard? Insisting on equivalency of outcome leads to collective punishment discrimination of certain groups to pre-ordain a grand social experiment outcome with an agenda. Instead, focus on merits and potential of individuals, not on identifying groups labels or physical attributes. Please stop mindlessly-aping rhetorical, happy-clappy feel-good-isms and abusing words like "democratizing" when you condone discrimination.

Re: Ex-YC partner Daniel Gross rethinks the accelerator

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I have been 'playing' with pioneer.app for two month. I kind of of like it. But I am biaised : I have always liked innovation... Pioneer, the most consuming part is on Monday evening where I comment, judge 10 startup match. It take a few hours if you do it well. You are in a position like people at YC receiving pitchs. Most of people in my surroundings would find this 'job' painfull. I just love it. If you do it seri…

In a way, crowdsourcing as long been a very successfully trends in consumer startups.

Now with pioneer.app we can perhaps see this crowdsource trend finally entering the elite business angels business.

Crowd of selected people are 1) Less biaised perhaps, 2) Divinding the job to hundreds of volunteers can be a good way to GARANTying that the selection job is equality done for each startup 3) And most of it's free.

Re: Ex-YC partner Daniel Gross rethinks the accelerator

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Pioneer really worked great for us. I think there are 2 reasons:

(a) The reality of starting up is that nobody cares about what you do. This can make things hard to explain to people around you. Pioneer provides feedback and recognition even people outside of the startup bubble understand. “See, there must be something to it - some people get what we do.”

(b) Pioneer helps to track things over time. Starting up is a lot about hacking things together and iterating: Finding a good idea. Building an MVP. Getting in front of first customers (..). Having the log of my tournament submissions is a great way to collect what worked and what didn't.

..I think you shouldn’t play pioneer with an entitlement to win. It is foremost a free feedback tool. As well remember, you only see a small subset of the other players. I really enjoy reading about other projects during the weekly voting. There must be soo many cool teams out there!

Re: Ex-YC partner Daniel Gross rethinks the accelerator

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To best honest I don't see the point of this. I tried Pioneer and all the updates people wrote were vanity updates designed to look impressive and impossible to validate. I used the platform for a while with the hope of perhaps winning some perks in the future. But then I found myself spending all my time on trying to market my project and present my updates to be appealing to the rest of the "contestants" rather tha…

Yes. I think it has the same problem as IndieHackers (which stripe also invested in / acquired), where it’s mostly for people who don’t have anything going for them. If you already know what you need to do it’s a waste of your attention. It’s becomes social media for founders. And anything social will promote what is popular or trendy to the tribe, and some of the actual better businesses are neglected because they a…

Is your side business a B2B SaaS?

Re: Ex-YC partner Daniel Gross rethinks the accelerator

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To best honest I don't see the point of this. I tried Pioneer and all the updates people wrote were vanity updates designed to look impressive and impossible to validate. I used the platform for a while with the hope of perhaps winning some perks in the future. But then I found myself spending all my time on trying to market my project and present my updates to be appealing to the rest of the "contestants" rather tha…

Yes. I think it has the same problem as IndieHackers (which stripe also invested in / acquired), where it’s mostly for people who don’t have anything going for them. If you already know what you need to do it’s a waste of your attention. It’s becomes social media for founders. And anything social will promote what is popular or trendy to the tribe, and some of the actual better businesses are neglected because they a…

I sort of agree but Indiehackers does have loads of useful content especially the interviews with successful bootstrapped founders (who I agree aren’t really on the forums much)

Re: Ex-YC partner Daniel Gross rethinks the accelerator

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Even though 3 of my friends won and got accepted, it still didn't make sense to me. After a few weeks, my friend James recommended me to join. I was a skeptic. But was I right?

I joined. After the first week, we could feel the energy every day. We had to meet our weekly goal—which we ourselves set, not anyone else. We were naturally building faster, marketing and talking to users every week. Got our first paid client $$$ in the third week IIRC. I found voting to be fair, but you need to be able to clearly explain what you're doing and optionally add links or screenshots, etc.

It's a very helpful format for planning that we're still doing with my co-founder. Also, every week you need to pitch your project in a one-liner again. It's so good to hammer your pitch based on feedback. After all, as Micheal Seibel, CEO of YC says, your parents need to understand it in a 1-2 sentence.

We won! Every Monday at 10 am my cofounder and I was staring at the leaderboard, hitting CMD+R every second. We were close to the top. But... Boom! Leaderboard changes show that we're... #120? Another refresh. Couldn't believe. We're #1!!! Probably their system was still applying the scores. Damn, we were running around the room. With more progress stayed #1 for multiple weeks until we decided to take a break. We won in August 2019.

From the email we got: > Congratulations to our newest Pioneers: Mohamad & Behnam Rajabifard, who are building There, a virtual office for remote teams.

After winning, we have frequent AMA live sessions with founders, product managers, CEOs of top tech companies. Every month we have 1-2 office hours with Daniel were we can get help on what we're doing. There's our Slack community exclusively for winners and has channels for everything.

In 6 hours we're having another live event where we're sharing our meal remotely and catching up with friends in Pioneer.

(Just in case you're looking to join and have any questions feel free to DM me on twitter.com/morajabi, I'd be happy to answer any of your concerns)

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