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Re: Google Fonts Analytics

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Their FAQ says that they don't (currently) use cookies, but it also includes the sentence "Google Fonts logs records of the CSS and the font file requests, and access to this data is kept secure", so they could still do some IP-based analytics. More importantly though, it gives Google accurate insight into web traffic (many users block Google Analytics, but almost everyone loads web fonts), and it allows them to craw…

> Google has poured a lot of money into this Why, though? Not charity, I'd assume. The only other answers I can come up with are pretty damn nefarious.

> it allows them to crawl websites more easily – before web fonts, many websites used pre-rendered PNGs to show web-unsafe fonts, which made crawling impossible.

Re: Google Fonts Analytics

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The Google Font FAQ includes the question: What does using the Google Fonts API mean for the privacy of my users? > "...your requests for fonts are separate from and do not contain any credentials you send to google.com while using other Google services that are authenticated, such as Gmail." >"Google Fonts logs records of the CSS and the font file requests, and access to this data is kept secure." https://developers…

So a lot of fluff and no actual reply. Users can be tracked without cookies being sent, while "access to the data is kept secure". Call me a cynic, but I lost my trust in google a long time ago.

To answer "track users across different websites", I think they pretty clearly say the opposite:

> The Google Fonts API is designed to limit the collection, storage, and use of end-user data to what is needed to serve fonts efficiently.

> When millions of websites all link to the same fonts, they are cached after visiting the first website and appear instantly on all other subsequently visited sites. [...] The result is that website visitors send very few requests to Google: We only see 1 CSS request per font family, per day, per browser.

I guess, what would you want to see that would assuage your concerns, beyond what is written in the FAQ?

Re: Google Fonts Analytics

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I think this should be added to the Decentraleyes extension ( https://decentraleyes.org ) which does this for popular JS frameworks. There is already an issue for this: https://git.synz.io/Synzvato/decentraleyes/issues/387

I love Decentraleyes but how would they redistribute most web fonts without running afoul of their licenses?

Download batches on initial extension load, and periodically thereafter, and cache them locally?

Re: Google Fonts Analytics

#104
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The operating system stats are interesting. Looks like Macs have roughly a 17% share of the windows + mac total requests. The overall market share per wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_compu... ) is something like 7% for Apple. Fonts are probably used by most "normal" computer users in some way so I wonder where that difference comes from - windows breaks faster and must be replaced m…

Anecdotally, people use their Macs a lot longer than Windows users. In part because of the price difference.

Re: Google Fonts Analytics

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[ctrl]+[home] keyboard shortcut doesn't work on this page in FireFox. I had some trouble with [ctrl]+[end]. It's quite disappointing to see basic webpage/document functionality broken on a site claiming to improve the web experience. Maybe I'm just an old-fashioned web user.

Re: Google Fonts Analytics

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I was part of the team that founded this, about 10 years ago if memory serves. I'm still loosely involved, though no longer at Google. Inconsolata was one of the 20 fonts for the original launch, and we're now in the process of launching it as a variable font, with both width and weight axes. I'm also getting funding from them for Rust-based font tools. Feel free to AMA, though no guarantees I'll have good answers.

> Inconsolata was one of the 20 fonts for the original launch

Am I understanding this correctly to mean that you were part of a group that invented this font? Independent of the great work you obviously did on everything else, if this is correct, I just wanted to give a specific thank you for that! It's been my go-to font for my terminal, text editor, monospace font in the browser, and even the font my Linux machines use when they boot up before launching the GUI for years now.

Re: Google Fonts Analytics

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Do you think it's still used for the latter rather than the former now?

I think Google might have better ways to track people. Fonts are also cached by CDNs and the local browser so I’m not sure if they provide good tracking data (they get loaded only for the first page visit for example and popular fonts like Open Sans are probably already in your cache when you open a page). If you’re concerned about tracking as a website operator you can simply load the fonts from your own server, mos…

You can even install the fonts locally to your machine and your browser will favor the local copy. There are some tools like Skyfonts that let you install the top X from Google Fonts and it can be a fun way to speed up a lot of the web; with the tradeoff that not a lot of people have the top X installed for useful large versions of X and that becomes its own fingerprint for surveillance software (testing how long text takes to render in an off screen canvas, for instance).

It's been suggested that Browsers or Operating Systems choose a useful X value and install the top fonts everywhere like they used to install the classic "core web fonts".

Re: Google Fonts Analytics

#108
post #35

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Their FAQ says that they don't (currently) use cookies, but it also includes the sentence "Google Fonts logs records of the CSS and the font file requests, and access to this data is kept secure", so they could still do some IP-based analytics. More importantly though, it gives Google accurate insight into web traffic (many users block Google Analytics, but almost everyone loads web fonts), and it allows them to craw…

> Google has poured a lot of money into this Why, though? Not charity, I'd assume. The only other answers I can come up with are pretty damn nefarious.

I can speak to this a little, in terms of pitches we made to management to get resources for our little project. None of this is authoritative.

1. A lot of text was rendered into PNGs, and that made the web less searchable, as well as less accessible, slower to load, and less mobile-friendly. All 4 of these factors do have economic impact at Google scale.

2. Fonts were one of the few features that Flash had that HTML5 was lacking, and we wanted to accelerate that transition. Again, mobile was one of the major driving factors.

3. For a while, we were organizationally funded under Google Docs. Again, fonts were one of the major missing features compared with Microsoft Office, so filling that gap was strategic. Here, our open source approach really paid off, otherwise dealing with proprietary font licensing in the context of documents that can be shared and copied would have been nightmarish.

4. To the extent that you are able to make the case that fonts make ads better (or advertisers happier), getting modest amounts of funding ceases to be a problem. To be clear, when I was on the team this was more of a glimmer of future abundant resources than day-to-day reality.

Lastly, while "charity" isn't exactly the right word, the motivations of the people working on the team are/were basically that we love fonts and want to make the Internet better. At Google scale, we were able to sell the project using basically a combination of the above arguments.

Never once when I was on the team were we asked to implement any form of individual user tracking, nor did I hear a suggestion of such a thing. All our work on collecting analytics was to improve performance and quantify our impact. I have no reason to believe things have changed on that front since I was directly involved.

Re: Google Fonts Analytics

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post #106

I was part of the team that founded this, about 10 years ago if memory serves. I'm still loosely involved, though no longer at Google. Inconsolata was one of the 20 fonts for the original launch, and we're now in the process of launching it as a variable font, with both width and weight axes. I'm also getting funding from them for Rust-based font tools. Feel free to AMA, though no guarantees I'll have good answers.

> Inconsolata was one of the 20 fonts for the original launch Am I understanding this correctly to mean that you were part of a group that invented this font? Independent of the great work you obviously did on everything else, if this is correct, I just wanted to give a specific thank you for that! It's been my go-to font for my terminal, text editor, monospace font in the browser, and even the font my Linux machines…

No, I drew Inconsolata myself, as well as inventing spiral-based tools for designing fonts, as an alternative to Béziers. I started work on it far in advance of working on the "Google Font API" as it was called at launch, so it was very natural to include it, along with other great fonts by other talented designers.

I'm glad you like the font!

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