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Would you work with micromanaging boss, no salary, and all your work thrown away?

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Re: Would you work with micromanaging boss, no salary, and all your work thrown away?

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Post by edw519 »

xlnt wrote: post #50
edw519 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My longer post and my short response to you were both jokes. That's all. Please don't read too much into them; they were certainly not meant to hurt anyone or state an opinion on anything . Since the OP was lighthearted, I just went with the flow and had a little fun. After all, hn is also my little break from moving bits and bytes around all day long. Sorry if I confused anyone. xlnt, thanks for the email address. M…

I didn't realize the second one was a joke. I knew the first one was a joke, but I thought it had some truth in it anyway.

I thought it had some truth in it anyway.

It has to or it wouldn't be a joke.

Re: Would you work with micromanaging boss, no salary, and all your work thrown away?

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Post by nazgulnarsil »

edw519 wrote: post #43
nazgulnarsil wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

while amusing, I think that in this culture "marriage" has become synonymous with "bad marriage" as evinced by the attitude of this post and the portrayal of marriage in the media. Specifically, I think that too many marriages (and relationships in general) involve a dominant/submissive relationship rather than one based on equality. I think the media promotes this idea that either you are in charge or they are with…

Oh lighten up. It's a joke for crying out loud.

I know, and it is funny. Just couldn't resist getting my armchair sociology pokes in. Bad Habit.

Re: Would you work with micromanaging boss, no salary, and all your work thrown away?

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Post by radu_floricica »

bayareaguy wrote: post #15

$0 salary and no equity (you’re supposed to be compensated in experience) - The experience is worth more than the market salary would pay for the work. In many cases it leads to preferential social treatment and occasionally the social connections you make on the job will turn out very valuable later. no benefits other than vacation and sick time: no insurance, for example - However, depending on the quality of the e…

1. So do many other "cv jobs", but they don't take more then a decade to do it. 2. Like in any other job. 3. True. But automatic promotion doesn't make one proud. 4. Here it's the biggest difference. As an entrepreneur you're training in being able to know what needs to be done. This teaches you the opposite: everything is equally important just because you're told so 5. Not really. In any other job you have at least a few hours of independence. Not in this one. 6. True 7. Not really, at least not he open-desk seating part. 8. Ha ha. Creativity... really. 9. All work = useless work. No work is ever used except for evaluation purposes. Ever. Ever. God, i'm depressed already. 10. Could be, haven't been employed in the field for a while. 11. true 12. true 13. Most people have exactly the same in their resume, so its real value is nil.

I'd like to elaborate a bit on the creativity part. Most school is a lot like an assembly line - the cheapest way to teach thousands of children necessary things. This is not bad, time and money constraints are real. But in this framework you can't afford to encourage true creativity, simply because to be creative you need: 1. a "space" in which to be creative and 2. not to be evaluated by classic means. School environment provides neither.

Re: Would you work with micromanaging boss, no salary, and all your work thrown away?

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Post by icky »

GrandMasterBirt wrote: post #29

Hows about my new job: $0 salary. In fact you spend money to work. Its a privilege. You can't quit. You can't act on your frustrations or the government might intervene. You have to deal with a lot of shit. Its always noisy. You need to get a second job. Usually the second job is a vacation from your first job. The only time you can go on vacation is when you get someone to take over for you at your expense. There ar…

> The only real up side is looking for the job is REALLY fun.

... and you get compensated in experience. ;)

Re: Would you work with micromanaging boss, no salary, and all your work thrown away?

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Post by bayareaguy »

radu_floricica wrote: post #53
bayareaguy wrote: post #15

$0 salary and no equity (you’re supposed to be compensated in experience) - The experience is worth more than the market salary would pay for the work. In many cases it leads to preferential social treatment and occasionally the social connections you make on the job will turn out very valuable later. no benefits other than vacation and sick time: no insurance, for example - However, depending on the quality of the e…

1. So do many other "cv jobs", but they don't take more then a decade to do it. 2. Like in any other job. 3. True. But automatic promotion doesn't make one proud. 4. Here it's the biggest difference. As an entrepreneur you're training in being able to know what needs to be done. This teaches you the opposite: everything is equally important just because you're told so 5. Not really. In any other job you have at least…

I'll grant that many schools (and workplaces) are run by people who take that attitude towards creativity and I think the general lack of parental involvement is the biggest cause. I know one teacher who quit the profession when not a single parent cared about attending her second grade class conference.

However there are some good schools out there that do value creativity. It's unfortunate that parents can't or won't insist there be more of them.

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