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Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own advisory council

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Re: Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own advisory council

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Post by geofft »

rasengan wrote: post #19
jude- wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens when Ethos starts running their own mining software (or bribes existing miners) in order to jack up prices for .org?

In Handshake, rather than renting your domain from .org or .com, you own your tld. This means that nobody will be able to charge you for using your own name. No more rent seeking or getting taxed by a pseudo government of the internet.

What's the advantage of having human-memorable TLDs that are taken by whoever got in on the cryptocurrency early (I see from your list that names like "uwmadison" and "twentyfirstcenturyfox" are taken already, I don't suppose those are from the actual owners of those trademarks) and therefore your TLD generally isn't related to the name humans know you by, over using public-key-derived addresses like .onion?

Re: Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own advisory council

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Post by grumple »

dwnvoted2hell wrote: post #15
grumple wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Already happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethos_Capital

Isn't this level of quid pro quo corruption punishable? Or does nobody even care anymore?

Seems like nobody cares in the US... I mean, when the highest officer in the land is pardoning politicians convicted for corruption, who cares about the law?

Re: Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own advisory council

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Post by rasengan »

geofft wrote: post #31
rasengan wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Handshake, rather than renting your domain from .org or .com, you own your tld. This means that nobody will be able to charge you for using your own name. No more rent seeking or getting taxed by a pseudo government of the internet.

What's the advantage of having human-memorable TLDs that are taken by whoever got in on the cryptocurrency early (I see from your list that names like "uwmadison" and "twentyfirstcenturyfox" are taken already, I don't suppose those are from the actual owners of those trademarks) and therefore your TLD generally isn't related to the name humans know you by, over using public-key-derived addresses like .onion?

The majority of internet traffic goes to the top sites in the world [1]. To address these concerns, Handshake actually allows the top 100k ranked Alexa sites to claim their tld on Handshake with a DNSSEC ownership proof [2]. Finally, everyone’s domains from the existing legacy system will also continue to resolve.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/265770/most-popular-us-w...

[2] https://hsd-dev.org/guides/claims.html

Re: Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own advisory council

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Post by rasengan »

jude- wrote: post #27
rasengan wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Handshake, rather than renting your domain from .org or .com, you own your tld. This means that nobody will be able to charge you for using your own name. No more rent seeking or getting taxed by a pseudo government of the internet.

Ah, so the owner of .org in Handshake is completely unbound by any rules or regulations, and can charge whatever they want for any domains beneath it? Isn't that the entire problem of the .org sale -- the wanna-be new owners want to buy it and then rent-seek on it?

Since TLD ownership will no longer be difficult (ICANN forces a 185k non refundable application fee just to see if you are eligible with no guarantees), people will have alternatives to .org, should .org continue to do what the people don’t want.

The current ICANN system is essentially a monopoly that can raise prices to double revenue without paying mind to what the people of the internet have commented.

Re: Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own advisory council

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Post by ukyrgf »

mxuribe wrote: post #22
squiggleblaz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The alternative is your ISP suddenly decides that google.com directs to one of their servers.

My isp (Verizon) already"conveniently" provides a landing page whenever I typo a web address(or there us some dns miss, etc.)...so your concept is (sadly) here-and-now, and not a far off thing.

AT&T as well. I still need to put aside a Sunday to figure out how to passthrough their fiber modem/router combo and use my own equipment again.

Re: Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own advisory council

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Post by catalogia »

rasengan wrote: post #33
geofft wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the advantage of having human-memorable TLDs that are taken by whoever got in on the cryptocurrency early (I see from your list that names like "uwmadison" and "twentyfirstcenturyfox" are taken already, I don't suppose those are from the actual owners of those trademarks) and therefore your TLD generally isn't related to the name humans know you by, over using public-key-derived addresses like .onion?

The majority of internet traffic goes to the top sites in the world [1]. To address these concerns, Handshake actually allows the top 100k ranked Alexa sites to claim their tld on Handshake with a DNSSEC ownership proof [2]. Finally, everyone’s domains from the existing legacy system will also continue to resolve. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/265770/most-popular-us-w... [2] https://hsd-dev.org/guides/claim…

Alexa rank doesn't seem like a good way to do this. A great many organizations, some of which have considerable clout, aren't going to be in the top 100k Alexa ranked websites because they aren't popular internet companies. For instance un.org and un.int don't seem to be in the top 100k. Perhaps a special exception would be made for the United Nations, but that's just one example out myriads.

Using Alexa rank seems like a solution somebody with tunnel vision for the internet/tech industry would come up with. Volume of traffic isn't a good proxy for importance.

Re: Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own advisory council

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

If this sale is successfully prevented, the next step needs to be to identify and purge ISOC and ICANN of anyone who negotiated or advocated for this deal. Not just because of the corruption issue, but the pure lack of good judgment.

I keep thinking about the fact that first, ICANN was freed of it's tie to the US government, and since then, it's been business deal after business deal to corrupt the domain system.

Re: Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own advisory council

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Post by jude- »

rasengan wrote: post #34
jude- wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, so the owner of .org in Handshake is completely unbound by any rules or regulations, and can charge whatever they want for any domains beneath it? Isn't that the entire problem of the .org sale -- the wanna-be new owners want to buy it and then rent-seek on it?

Since TLD ownership will no longer be difficult (ICANN forces a 185k non refundable application fee just to see if you are eligible with no guarantees), people will have alternatives to .org, should .org continue to do what the people don’t want. The current ICANN system is essentially a monopoly that can raise prices to double revenue without paying mind to what the people of the internet have commented.

The problem here isn't the lack of alternatives to .org, it's the rent-seeking on .org (brought about by a corruption). It sounds like Handshake does not address this problem.

Re: Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own advisory council

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Post by mxuribe »

kazagistar wrote: post #28
mxuribe wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In concept, I believe you're 100% correct. I really, really do. But in real life, I feel it's just enough control and power (that they wield currently) that many people in the same role would be subject to temptation of being corrupted. Hence, not unlike general governing, what we need is control by the many, and not by the aristocratic few.

I agree, and will add that radical transparency, in addition to democratic oversight, can counteract corruption. Control by the many, but subject to secret manipulations by the few, is fairly vulnerable to corruption.

Fully agreed; transparency is absolutely essential.

Re: Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own advisory council

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Post by mxuribe »

ukyrgf wrote: post #35
mxuribe wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My isp (Verizon) already"conveniently" provides a landing page whenever I typo a web address(or there us some dns miss, etc.)...so your concept is (sadly) here-and-now, and not a far off thing.

AT&T as well. I still need to put aside a Sunday to figure out how to passthrough their fiber modem/router combo and use my own equipment again.

I think I read somewhere that one option is to simply use a different dns provider, but I have not validated this. I, too, need to put aside a day to play with this.
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