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Is an Aboriginal tale of an ancient volcano the oldest story ever told?

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Re: Is an Aboriginal tale of an ancient volcano the oldest story ever told?

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> All literature is subject to the bias you seem to think invalidates these peoples' right to determination. You're clearly very passionate on this subject, though you appear to be arguing against claims that aren't being made. First, your claim that oral tradition seems inefficient compared to writing is extremely hard to defend. The accuracy, scope, density, longevity, and reproducibility of written information has…

> The accuracy, scope, density, longevity, and reproducibility of written information has clear advantages over speech-based transmission. 37,000 years of oral tradition versus .. 5,000 years (?) of written? The jury is still out.

> 37,000 years of oral tradition versus .. 5,000 years (?) of written? The jury is still out.

Recency of invention is not synonymous with inefficiency.

Consider that you're trying to assert oral tradition is more efficient than writing systems ... in a written format on a construct accessed by hundreds of thousands of people around the world over many years rather than demonstrating the validity of your claim to a half dozen people around a fire.

Re: Is an Aboriginal tale of an ancient volcano the oldest story ever told?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The accuracy, scope, density, longevity, and reproducibility of written information has clear advantages over speech-based transmission. 37,000 years of oral tradition versus .. 5,000 years (?) of written? The jury is still out.

> 37,000 years of oral tradition versus .. 5,000 years (?) of written? The jury is still out. Recency of invention is not synonymous with inefficiency. Consider that you're trying to assert oral tradition is more efficient than writing systems ... in a written format on a construct accessed by hundreds of thousands of people around the world over many years rather than demonstrating the validity of your claim to a ha…

I don't disagree with your position on the strengths of written media - I'm after all a major user of the media - but I do think that there is great value in recognising that 37,000 years ago, someone told a story - and here we are, still discussing it. That's not something that we in the West can predict will happen, or not, too soon - especially given the immense amount of material that has been lost, even in our lifetimes, because it was written and forgotten.

Re: Is an Aboriginal tale of an ancient volcano the oldest story ever told?

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There is a sad history in Australia of treating the indigenous population as nothing more than a bunch of savages. This had its origins as a kind of reality distortion to justify taking their land and in some cases, exterminating them entirely as happened in Tasmania. There is still this perverse incentive today, since acknowledging that there was a full blown civilisation with a very long history present before Engl…

Rural Australian whites were shooting Aboriginals like Animals few decades ago :( back on topic, we are still discovering new things about the aboriginal civilisation https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-19/fire-reveals-further-...

The Australian government was still forcefully sterilising FNP girls into the 70's. See also, Stolen Generation.
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