It never ceases to amaze me what the state of online banking is around the world. Here we have something called BankID which comes in two flavors, one that is a physical token that generates TOPT used to log in, either in a combination with a password or a PIN on the token device itself, referred to as BankID. And the other, much slicker solution, called BankID on Mobile, which runs as SIM-application on your phone w…
Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartext – what to do?
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#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You should report to proper authorities about the severity of the issue. Reach out to their security or technical higher up department of the bank. Switch your bank. Do not reach out to the bank's security/technical! There's a non-zero chance that the response from the bank would be to reach out to the FBI and claim that you are the "hacker". It will create an enormous headache for you. If you are going to reach ou…
https://www.occ.treas.gov/ ?
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Yeah, this "we can't extend password beyond 8 characters because legacy systems" argument does not hold water. My experience: built a Web site/app for: a) major bank b) major corp, back in the days when Web presence was kind of a new thing. ~15-20 years ago. You build a new (Web) app and treat the legacy system (happened to be some mainframe) as a backend or whatever. Add new tables to hold user's credentials, email…
>> Add new tables to hold user's credentials, email addresses, and whatever else. Adding a table to hold users' credentials doesn't really solve the problem that is being discussed, which is storing users' credentials. All that does is add a new attack surface, stealing the new credentials, and the original credentials are still in the same position.
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Not sure if serious.
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This very looks cool, thank you for sharing parent. I apologize for the nitpick, but I hope there will be some guidance on what an "anonymous" email is. (Ex: Guerilla at a public wifi like a library, an email created at a library, but not your usual email from a place other than your home) I worry sometimes that we assume people reporting security vulnerabilities will be security experts. I often meet people who are…
An easier way may be to anonymously message a tech savvy media company or security firm, maybe via snail mail even. You can do it anonymously yourself but it'll take some work and a mashup of: - VPN service where you pay with cash (Mullvad) - Temporary email (Protonmail?) - One time use computer (cybercafe, pay with cash?) There's layers you can apply like a TOR browser usage but it'll take more effort/learning.
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#276Wells Fargo used to require that a new password be sufficiently different from an old password. e.g. if my password was "Madison111$" I could change it to "Madison222$" except that when I did so I would be prompted to change it again the next time I logged in. Since I always iterated on a version of my password this was an issue. The reason was explained to me when I finally called and asked why I was being required…
It’s a pain in the ass because I only login once in a while. I refuse to use their software until they give a sane password experience with two factor auth. Well I refuse to use it because I have to click 20 things before I can even proper login.
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#277As someone who works in finance/banking, I can assure you that this is not uncommon. Almost everyone is engaging in not-so-best practices with password storage if they are using any 3rd party vendors. Only the institutions with the resources to rebuild in-house systems with modern security standards are the exception to this rule. There are only a handful of these. Ultimately, it's not some malicious intent or incomp…
> For many banks and other financial institutions, going down for even 1 hour is a complete catastrophe. Are you joking? It's a common trope for bank websites to go down for "scheduled maintenance". Not to mention real-world bank branches keep bizarre hours and close for random holidays like Presidents' Day and Veterans' Day. Why do banks and credit card companies need to perform "scheduled maintenance" during which…
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You can use letters in your password? Luxury! I only get 0-9. Not an American bank though (BNP Paribas in France).
BNP's password interface is insane. Instead of having normal password options, they limit it to 0-9 and then implement some hideous and overcomplicated front-end that randomizes the positions of each number on a virtual keypad and you click to enter your password.
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#279Really shocked at all the handwavy comments. > “It’s fine, there are more checks in place to prevent unauthorised transactions” > “Also, it’s insured” Well ok, that means the bank is protected, but what about my (sensitive) data such as transaction history? > “If anyone does anything bad, law enforcement will step in” Yeah, I totally trust a bank that can’t even properly deal with something as basic as passwords to n…
If I recall, they already sell that to other companies. (It might not have your real name attached, but any one of the companies you purchased from can deanonymize it by cross-referencing their own charge log.)
Re: Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartext – what to do?
#280As someone who works in finance/banking, I can assure you that this is not uncommon. Almost everyone is engaging in not-so-best practices with password storage if they are using any 3rd party vendors. Only the institutions with the resources to rebuild in-house systems with modern security standards are the exception to this rule. There are only a handful of these. Ultimately, it's not some malicious intent or incomp…
> For many banks and other financial institutions, going down for even 1 hour is a complete catastrophe. Are you joking? It's a common trope for bank websites to go down for "scheduled maintenance". Not to mention real-world bank branches keep bizarre hours and close for random holidays like Presidents' Day and Veterans' Day. Why do banks and credit card companies need to perform "scheduled maintenance" during which…