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Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by shripadk »

bitxbitxbitcoin wrote: post #76
thbr99 wrote: post #63

The India government is taking action against spreading misinformation & fake news via VPN enabled social media. What is wrong here. Title is misleading and sensationalist.

For one, it's unconstitutional. From the article: > Mishi Choudhary, executive director of New Delhi-based Software Law and Freedom Centre, said that the authority did not need to chase people who are using VPNs, and should restore internet access like any other democratic society. “Any alleged rumors can be addressed by putting out accurate and more information through the same social media platforms. Content-based…

It isn't unconstitutional. Quote the Act that prohibits the Government from taking precautionary measures. We are dealing with a region that has seen countless terror attacks since the Exodus of Kashmiri Pandits in the 1990s. For the first time since August 5th there has been peace in the valley with no major terror attacks. If restrictions of communications helps attain peace then so be it. I rather communications be cut than have lives lost needlessly because some deranged lunatic decided to blow himself up in the name of his Religion. And do not forget that the Pulwama Attack is still fresh in the minds of Indians.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by iagovar »

definitelyRobot wrote: post #20

As a young tech person in India, this stuff makes me so angry. The ruling party here (BJP) doesn't have any real competition. Which means they can get away with pretty much anything. They've banned VPNs. They'll chuck you in prison if you speak against the government or a politician. Then they'll brand you as an "anti-nationalist" and openly say to their supporters that you deserve to be shot. Facial recognition is n…

In that case you should Kickstart some media outside India. It's your best bet folks. You have a large talent pool and I'm sure you'll come up with some way of financing it.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by streb-lo »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #91
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't know why state governments don't let that happen more freely if they aren't actually trying to be the ones holding others hostage. Because the people who run governments often think in terms of maximizing power because that is what it takes to be a successful career politician. When you think that way of course it seems stupid to give up a bunch of people and land who pay taxes to you, count toward your popu…

Exactly. If somebody tries to leave a building and you won't let them, they're not the hostage taker. If you really don't like rural voters and think they're just a burden, prove it, and support parting ways. Oh and fuck the silent downvoters. Get over yourselves already and stop pretending you understand the people you disagree with.

It works both ways. In this case the only benefit of leaving the building is that people outside the building get 2.5x the say as people in buildings from an outdated set of laws before the concept of modern buildings even existed.

I'm stretching your analogy to its limits here but both parties can claim to be held hostage to some degree.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by mindfulhack »

definitelyRobot wrote: post #20

As a young tech person in India, this stuff makes me so angry. The ruling party here (BJP) doesn't have any real competition. Which means they can get away with pretty much anything. They've banned VPNs. They'll chuck you in prison if you speak against the government or a politician. Then they'll brand you as an "anti-nationalist" and openly say to their supporters that you deserve to be shot. Facial recognition is n…

> They've banned VPNs. They'll chuck you in prison if you speak against the government or a politician.

Thank you for sharing this information. How were you, in your comment above, able to safely criticise the government while in India?

(If you are not able to disclose how you did, that's understandable to me. We all know about methods like Tor and obfs4 bridges. I run a Tor bridge to help people in China, hopefully. And now thanks to you, I'm thinking of India too.)

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by scarejunba »

loeg wrote: post #61
gbear605 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The context was specifically for consumer encryption technologies, which wasn’t an issue during the Civil War.

That really is not clear from the statement: "We have yet to see how the US reacts when a massive section of it wants to secede," which is obviously false.

Its obvious falseness is usually a hint that there are contextual conversational modifiers that are implicit. Conversationally, if your objective is information exchange, it is usually more productive to ask for clarification than to refute one interpretation.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by shripadk »

connectsnk wrote: post #90
definitelyRobot wrote: post #20

As a young tech person in India, this stuff makes me so angry. The ruling party here (BJP) doesn't have any real competition. Which means they can get away with pretty much anything. They've banned VPNs. They'll chuck you in prison if you speak against the government or a politician. Then they'll brand you as an "anti-nationalist" and openly say to their supporters that you deserve to be shot. Facial recognition is n…

I am in Jammu(India) right now and can attest that comments like above are only opinions and not facts. As goes for any country, people keep inventing stuff / leaving crucial details because of their own biases and self interests. The same goes for people who support BJP.

Absolutely right. It is ridiculous to think that the Government will not restrict communications in a region that has seen nothing but violence and terrorism for the past 30 years since the Exodus of Kashmiri Pandits. For the first time in 3 decades the Valley is peaceful. If it comes down to choosing between deaths of innocents by deranged terrorists and cutting communication I would always choose the latter. The Pulwama Attack is still fresh in the mind of Indians and cannot be forgotten or forgiven.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by mindfulhack »

connectsnk wrote: post #90
definitelyRobot wrote: post #20

As a young tech person in India, this stuff makes me so angry. The ruling party here (BJP) doesn't have any real competition. Which means they can get away with pretty much anything. They've banned VPNs. They'll chuck you in prison if you speak against the government or a politician. Then they'll brand you as an "anti-nationalist" and openly say to their supporters that you deserve to be shot. Facial recognition is n…

I am in Jammu(India) right now and can attest that comments like above are only opinions and not facts. As goes for any country, people keep inventing stuff / leaving crucial details because of their own biases and self interests. The same goes for people who support BJP.

Facts are facts. If a government is doing something and evidence shows that, then it is a fact, not an opinion.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by _jgdh »

connectsnk wrote: post #90
definitelyRobot wrote: post #20

As a young tech person in India, this stuff makes me so angry. The ruling party here (BJP) doesn't have any real competition. Which means they can get away with pretty much anything. They've banned VPNs. They'll chuck you in prison if you speak against the government or a politician. Then they'll brand you as an "anti-nationalist" and openly say to their supporters that you deserve to be shot. Facial recognition is n…

I am in Jammu(India) right now and can attest that comments like above are only opinions and not facts. As goes for any country, people keep inventing stuff / leaving crucial details because of their own biases and self interests. The same goes for people who support BJP.

If you have a specific issue with what GP said, please state it. Vague accusations are impossible to respond to.

If your contribution is "people are biased", that's not too helpful.

Re: Indian police open case against hundreds in Kashmir for using VPN

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Post by TallGuyShort »

streb-lo wrote: post #114
TallGuyShort wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. If somebody tries to leave a building and you won't let them, they're not the hostage taker. If you really don't like rural voters and think they're just a burden, prove it, and support parting ways. Oh and fuck the silent downvoters. Get over yourselves already and stop pretending you understand the people you disagree with.

It works both ways. In this case the only benefit of leaving the building is that people outside the building get 2.5x the say as people in buildings from an outdated set of laws before the concept of modern buildings even existed. I'm stretching your analogy to its limits here but both parties can claim to be held hostage to some degree.

"I don't like it" doesn't mean "it's outdated". Today's heavy differences in population density is exactly why the great compromise was reached. How is it any different from when Virginia and Rhode Island were deciding if they should be part of the same country?

If you don't like Trump, I have sympathy, I also hate the guy. But the Democratic Party used superdelegates to pick a notoriously unelectable candidate who was never going to win over moderates, and employed slogans like "it's not rigged, you just lost". And then they tried to blame the loss on the Great Compromise, which is kind of like superdelegates but not as arbitrary. For that, I'm afraid, I have no sympathy.

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