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I would argue this site can make you feel the same way :)

Exactly. No site gives me more anxiety than HN while being so addictive at the same time.

So bookmark the search page and blacklist the home page. Only read what you specifically search for.

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Not making judgment but people rarely take the time to become informed before making a choice.

So we need the government to make that choice for them?

This isn't a new thing. The government chooses lots of things for us. What things are legal to buy, eat, etc. are decided for us. Sometimes people need to be protected from themselves. This is why we are going to lose on privacy. Fear-mongering over pedophiles will sway people instead of them looking into the laws and their effect on their lives.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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I love tech. It pains me to come to the conclusion that in Facebook, we have created something that should not exist: an addicative worldwide mob where peddlers can sell emotionally manipulative ideas to the people least able to handle them, whether it's clicking cows all day long or believing Elvis is still alive. In defense, I don't think anybody that was on-board at the beginning realized this. I do, however, feel…

Zuckerberg's major in college was psychology, not CS. A Skinner Box [1] is Psych 101 - I am certain Mark knew exactly what he was building. And how is the like button nothing but building on the theory of social psychology?

Facebook, IMO (I minored in psych) is entirely built on a solid understanding of human psychology and how to control it. Add in ads and profit!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning_chamber

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Classic regulatory capture. Once you're big enough lobby effectively, get legislators to pull the ladder up from behind you.

This reminds me: I was working at a small health services startup in 2009. We had a good relationship with a number of small-scale healthcare providers, and when the ARRA was passed mandating that all providers move to electronic health records, we evaluated the concept of getting into that business. We concluded that there was so much legal red tape in that sector that the only way to legally create an EHR product would be if your lawyers were the ones writing the laws governing them (which would have been true for Epic and McKessen).

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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I love tech. It pains me to come to the conclusion that in Facebook, we have created something that should not exist: an addicative worldwide mob where peddlers can sell emotionally manipulative ideas to the people least able to handle them, whether it's clicking cows all day long or believing Elvis is still alive. In defense, I don't think anybody that was on-board at the beginning realized this. I do, however, feel…

> They just didn't care.

They do care, the piles of money make them care less.

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Yes. those crafty russians who forced the american elite hollow-out the middle class, undermined Bernies primary, and installed unelectable professional grifters on the Dem ticket. You should also consider that you are not viewing reality correctly.

Why not both? Or rather, all of that? The fact salaries for the bottom half of America are flat for 40 years doesn’t change the facts on Russia and FB.

This type of nuance isn't what social media is built for so perhaps to receive no attention for it.

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Canadian packages too. They required a rather graphic health warning over 50% of the surface area (showing a smokers lungs with explanation, etc) and also removed branding. So it’s a giant health warning over the top half, and then a plain brown lower half with the name/type

Curious - do these packages work? Have they reduced smoking addiction?

(I don't smoke btw, but my father-in-law smokes like a chimney)

Its hard to relate cause and effects, but I see a noticeable decline in smoking among younger people, and smoking has become very uncool. People will also make a big deal about second hand smoke, for instance if you're near a bus stop or busy sidewalk you may get called out.

I don't know if anything besides medical intervention can stop a seasoned veteran smoker, though. Packaging certainly hasn't had any effect on my few family members that smoke.

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Similar warnings are required on cigarettes, and there isn’t much difference between the two.

When did the court rule that cigarettes constituted speech?

They didn’t. They ruled corporations don’t have much free speech when it comes to product advertising and declarations of potential harm their products may cause their users.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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There should be only one regulation for fb, display following warning on all pages/screens: Statutory Warning: This product is specifically designed to cause behavioral addiction so you are guided down a slippery slope of over consumption & that is how this company makes money. Overuse of this product is known to cause - anxiety, depression, low self esteem, constant craving for attention, short attention spans, inab…

If FB is addictive then you need the medical community in on this, but the fact that they aren’t means you’re left alone making medical arguments about the affects of FB. Maybe my speech, this very one, is designed to give you the flu. But when we’re talking stakes like serious medical claims, then we should have serious medical consensus.

I don’t know if you work at Facebook or really believe what you’ve written. My spouse and I got so bad that we’d be on our phones over brunch or dinner looking at Facebook instead of having a conversation. It took us a couple years to break the habit and we both eventually deleted Facebook.

I defend big tech all the time (see my post history), but saying FB isn’t designed to be addictive isn’t accurate.

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I don't think Facebook is "evil" by design, but the end result is the same. The framework is as follows: There were probably thousands of internet companies that competed to be the dominant sites in the 90s and 00s. By several orders of magnitude the predominant business model is ads for eyeballs, and the predominant network effect scales with number of users. Several factors influenced success but, on average, sites…

We are all addicted to something or the other. There are people who spend insane amount of time on HN (including me) - sure it is billion times better than FB, but it is still an addiction. This is one of those things where no amount of regulation or blaming FB (or instagram or twitter or HN or whatever) is going to help much. It might be more fruitful to think about why people spend so much time online outside of pr…

Exactly, people need to take some personal responsibility and stop calling a web app evil because people some donkey spends all their free time on it. Grow up and stop feeling outrage about something that doesn't even affect you, and the people that it does affect have every opportunity to do something about it.
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