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3 and Y are vegan leather. The others had a cloth option, but for the new ones the leather will be vegan.
"vegan leather" So, plastic.
Hopefully more like "I can't believe it's not leather".
Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW
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#402Is Tesla still controlled just from one tablet-like surface in the center? Meaning you can't adjust anything while driving?
Please downmod more:
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/6/21127243/tesla-model-s-aut...
Looks like we're talking about the same Tesla that disables features remotely on your car.
It doesn't even matter who was in the right on that incident, looks like a dangerous car to me. And I did used to envy the US for having it available...
Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW
#4036 years ahead electronics here means AI ASICs. I thought that was weird, I know Toyota cars have radar and I’m not sure about Teslas. IMO as an armchair observer the sensor array is far more interesting than any of this. Personally, if I were to buy another car (and hopefully I don’t have to any time soon) I’d want the processing electronics to be off the shelf not weird custom stuff that’s going to have all kinds of…
Tesla has radar in their cars, at least in my X. I think I read somewhere that the cheapest model 3 does not have it but I can't confirm that.
So does almost any other modern car (for automatic emergency braking).
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I've had mine serviced a couple times, and it's been an absolute pleasure compared to my Audi or Porsche.
There are horror stories as recently as today in r/teslamotors. Some of the service centers are quite good, some are just terrible.
I'm not sure how this is unique to Tesla
Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW
#405This is the industry that took years to adopt the CD player, it’s not that hard to be technologically ahead of them. Whether that actually translates into more sales of cars is a different question.
Assuming that was the case, it wouldn't surprise me that might have something to do with the reliability of early CDs across a wide range of temperature conditions and use given vibrations, potholes, etc.
I just bought a 2018 Ford and the CD player skips when it's cold out.
Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW
#406This is grand, apart from the build quality of the mechanics is ~10 years behind. Go to a tesla showroom, Look at the doors of the model three. Note that they don't line up. Look at the paint job, notice that there are bumps and chips, especailly on the edges of the doors. This is on a _demo_ car, stuck in a showroom. these should be perfect. Even a budget Kia has better build quality than this. Its not the isolated…
Did you personally see this? Or are you just repeating what you saw somewhere. I gave my model 3 a close look before I bought it and found none of the mentioned problems.
Yes, tesla showroom, in a major shopping centre in the UK, in december 2019
I was _very_ skeptical of people talking about fit and finish. I was assuming its people trash talking.
However, I have now seen it with my own eyes.
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Is it? Getting the spacing down so its not noticeable by humans is doing manufacturing and assembly with tolerances measured in whole millimeters. It’s easily the largest possible tolerances allowed within the manufacture and assembly of the car. It should be some of the easiest manufacturing and assembly to be done. If they can’t manage tolerances measured in millimeters, how can they manage manufacturing and assemb…
> Is it? Yes. Internal combustion engines require intense tolerances. If your cylinder head is 1mm out of spec you're going to have serious problems. But if the wire winding bundle for the electric motor is 5mm out of spec? You'll be fine. The areas in a Tesla where tolerances are actually important- the batteries and PCBs- are subject to completely different engineering practices. Nobody's going to get cross trained…
If they wiring bundle is 5mm out, you're going to have a bad day, shits going to burn.
If the doors are misaligned it either means the chassis is deformed, or at best the hinges are misaligned.
That doesn't bode well to what happens in a crash, or if it rains. Are the seals oversized to account for slop? what happens when they get old?
If I'm dropping $100k on a new car, I want to make bloody sure its built well. That doesn't mean that people won't buy them, far from it.
Look, I get it, Tesla is new and shiny. But lets not over-rate them. They have parts that are very well built. but the software, chassis and interior are not part of that.
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Where you're defining better as faster, however, it uses enormously more energy, which impacts overall driving range. It doesn't need to be faster past a certain point. They've already got enough bandwidth to run the entire set of self driving neural networks in duplicate at production speed on the current FSD hardware version 3 computer. There is a point of diminishing returns wrt speed and I think we're quickly app…
Does Tesla really care that much about efficiency? Sentry mode chews through about 1 mile of range for every single hour it is active. My doorbell camera takes significantly less power to do motion detection than my Model 3 does.
Does your doorbell camera have one or eight cameras? The Model 3 has eight cameras. You’re comparing apples to orangutans.
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#409Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where you're defining better as faster, however, it uses enormously more energy, which impacts overall driving range. It doesn't need to be faster past a certain point. They've already got enough bandwidth to run the entire set of self driving neural networks in duplicate at production speed on the current FSD hardware version 3 computer. There is a point of diminishing returns wrt speed and I think we're quickly app…
It that just enormously more energy if it was running in a portable device or is that actually enormously more energy when running off half a metric ton of traction battery? Nvidia has plenty of experience in scaling their chips down to a wide range of performance/energy tradeoffs.
And nvidia’s faster neural network solution they say is faster than Tesla’s
Chip still uses loads more power than Tesla’s chip does.
Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW
#410The doubt is whether stopping reading the article at: >It could end the auto industry supply chain as we know it. or just on pargraph later at: >One stunned engineer from a major Japanese automaker examined the computer and declared, "We cannot do it."
Care to share what about those sentences caused you to lose focus?
Sure, no problem.
The first sentence is apodictical and catastrophic.
The second one is meaningless and sensationalistic.
No need to read further an article that is clearly a "plug" and that - besides and as per comments here on HN - is also factually inaccurate.