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Don't touch my clipboard

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Re: Don't touch my clipboard

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Post by [deleted] »

jeroenhd wrote: post #185
trumbitta2 wrote: post #169

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That's true only of distributions that alias rm with rm -i. Now, almost 20 years ago only RedHat did it. And it felt wrong to me :-/

Modern versions of rm require you to pass --no-preserve-root. According to Wikipedia [1] this has been the default (in upstream) since 2006. Of course it took distros some time to actually update to the GNU utils 6.4 (especially long-term support systems like CentOS) but it's been a decade since the change should've been implemented everywhere. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rm_%28Unix%29#Protection_of_th...

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Re: Don't touch my clipboard

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Post by emn13 »

samatman wrote: post #106
brnt wrote: post #99

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Because for some reason terminals are stuck in the 70ies and don't accept those characters as quotes. Anything but ASCII trips them up. Seems such an obvious interface to innovate, but it seems to run into terminal wizards sense of purity.

The problem, such as it is, is with languages. Terminals (mine at least) handle most of Unicode just fine; admittedly I've seen it choke on emoji, but punctuation, nah. The vast majority of programming languages are defined in terms of ASCII and only ASCII. I don't care for this, personally. I've given some thought to how to do quoting right in a programming language, and implemented «guillemets» as an experiment. Bu…

Having multiple almost identical ways of achieving things is a bug magnet in programming languages. Differing programmers will presumably use different styles (why else even support differences?), and if you mix code like that, bugs ensue. This a hassle not just because autoformatters are liable to make churny changes (which distract from real changes, which makes history harder to understand: bug magnet), but also because people will make mistakes e.g. when find-replacing (another minor bug magnet!). Then there's the fact that some of those quotes aren't symmetric - so you need to think of something to have happen when they're unpaired or used incorrectly, and it wouldn't surprise me if no matter what you did, you surprise somebody (bug magnet!).

Sure: these are all quibbles, and a language wouldn't die from all these minor cuts. But they're definitely downsides, not upsides. So: where is that upside? Why would you ever support something like this? "It looks a little nicer" sounds like a pretty weak argument compared to "it's inconsistent, hard to machine process, and may cause a few bugs"...

Re: Don't touch my clipboard

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Post by u801e »

C4stor wrote: post #148
chrisseaton wrote: post #91

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> aren't even the ASCII quote character; you get horrid unicode quotes Why should they be ASCII, and what’s wrong with Unicode?

Because the next step when you face this problem is doing a search-replace of the quotes to remove them. ASCII quotes are on your keyboard, so you can actually type the command to remove them. Unicode quotes probably aren't, so it's extra annoying to remove them, and they're not even the same character for start and end so you have to do it twice. The time spent for removal is then vastly higher than with ASCII quote…

Depending on the regex engine, it may not be that much higher.

sed -i '/|/d'

Re: Don't touch my clipboard

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Post by rogual »

stefco_ wrote: post #51

It's not just a browser thing. Apple Books does this with their e-books, which is infuriating if you're working with a coding book and just want to copy-paste stuff into your editor/terminal. You get something like: “ghci> putStrLn (pretty 10 value)” Excerpt From: Bryan O’Sullivan, John Goerzen, and Donald Bruce Stewart. “Real World Haskell.” Apple Books. When you only copied: ghci> putStrLn (pretty 10 value) Note th…

Apple Books has so many of these ridiculous little incursions against good taste. Just to vent, I made a list of all the ones I found: http://macos-design-review.com/books.html

It really does seem like software at Apple is being designed by people who just aren't familiar with the platform.

Re: Don't touch my clipboard

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Post by jtbayly »

hackmiester wrote: post #95
umvi wrote: post #88

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I always just type "#" first before pasting... That way it is just a comment I can inspect before running

Here, paste this into your terminal: echo "hello" echo "lol" ; sudo sl -rf / (In case it's not obvious, the # trick will not help you.)

So... don’t paste it in my terminal?

Re: Don't touch my clipboard

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Post by sleavey »

Furthermore don't touch my ability to paste into web forms. Some banks do this, and I have no idea why (some incredibly misguided idea of security?). I disabled the ability for websites to disable pasting using Firefox's about:config, but 99.9% of users won't know they can do this.

Re: Don't touch my clipboard

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Post by deadbunny »

sleavey wrote: post #207

Furthermore don't touch my ability to paste into web forms. Some banks do this, and I have no idea why (some incredibly misguided idea of security?). I disabled the ability for websites to disable pasting using Firefox's about:config, but 99.9% of users won't know they can do this.

Do you know the key for this? Can't find it with a quick search.

Re: Don't touch my clipboard

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Post by ubermonkey »

skrebbel wrote: post #147

Just want to share that there's also good reasons for employing this technique. Eg if you select text in Slack that has emojis or formatting, it tries to put plain-text into the clipboard that would produce said emojis and formatting when pasted back into Slack. This is great, and every chat app does does formatted stuff should do this. I'd hate it if browser vendors would attempt to block this and as a result, break…

That's just needless hackery from Slack, though.

I should be able to decide if I want to allow apps to mess with my clipboard, and the default should be "no".

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