If anybody is interested I have a database of roughly 4B IPv4 addresses for sale:)
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Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
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Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
#22If anybody is interested I have a database of roughly 4B IPv4 addresses for sale:)
Would you mind sharing your email address?
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
#23If anybody is interested I have a database of roughly 4B IPv4 addresses for sale:)
Could you please remove mine under article 17 of the GDPR? :D
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
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Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
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It was done to deceive ARIN which is why it is being considered wire fraud.
This seems like a bit of an over reach no? I've looked up wire fraud in the US and it seems to come with some properly serious penalties: Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication i…
No? The use of deception to obtain something of value that would not otherwise be given to you is the literal, legal definition of fraud?
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
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There's nothing wrong with the title. Obtained means "To get hold of; to gain possession of, to procure; to acquire, in any way".
Which is quite literally what my script does :) Think about if the title said "800K email addresses obtained illegitimately", and what you would interpret the meaning of that to be.
I know pedantry is a HN thing, but I suspect the majority of the audience here understood what "obtained" meant in this context.
This seems like a particularly weird hill for you to repeatedly die on.
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's nothing wrong with the title. Obtained means "To get hold of; to gain possession of, to procure; to acquire, in any way".
Which is quite literally what my script does :) Think about if the title said "800K email addresses obtained illegitimately", and what you would interpret the meaning of that to be.
A money printing machine
>printf("$100");
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
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That's what I've been thinking as well. Creating "shell companies" (aka "Special Purpose Entities/Vehicles") is not illegal per se. Perhaps he violated the terms and conditions of his contract with ARIN and should have had the assignments cancelled but where does the criminality come in?
If he misrepresented himself in order to gain a financial advantage then that is fraud. Creating shell companies is not illegal, using a name fir yourself that isn’t your legal name is not illegal, doing either of those things in order to trick people into giving you money is.
> Creating shell companies is not illegal, using a name fir yourself that isn’t your legal name is not illegal, doing either of those things in order to trick people into giving you money is.
Have you seen a list of list of all telco companies that are together AT&T which exist solely to allow AT&T to limit liability, create a separation of entities for qualify under some rules for some other entities, etc?
When MCI Worldcom filed for bankruptcy the list of the entities that it covered took a couple of pages in major newspapers.
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
If he misrepresented himself in order to gain a financial advantage then that is fraud. Creating shell companies is not illegal, using a name fir yourself that isn’t your legal name is not illegal, doing either of those things in order to trick people into giving you money is.
Not just financial advantage, all deceit where you intend to gain from it is fraud. Money just makes it more obvious what the gain was. Are there grey areas? Sure. In particular there's a passive sort of deceit in which you let people assume things that you know aren't true, to your benefit. Mostly the law holds that it's their mistake for not asking, and anyway they'd usually be far too embarrassed to make a fuss if…
> I don't see that here, the plan was explicitly to trick the RIR into giving them resources they were otherwise not entitled to. Those resources were for everybody to share, they're stealing from you and it's appropriate to prosecute for fraud.
The last time I looked which was a couple of years ago there was nothing in the ARIN TOS that said "you can only control one entity that applies for resources".
Joe Schmoe Enterprises, Inc, Joe Schmoe, LLC, Joe Shmoe Fishing Services, Inc are different legal entities even if Joe Schmoe, Jr owns all of them.
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was done to deceive ARIN which is why it is being considered wire fraud.
This seems like a bit of an over reach no? I've looked up wire fraud in the US and it seems to come with some properly serious penalties: Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication i…
Those are maximums.