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Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

wasn't it taxes?

In the UK it mostly was increased prices, coupled with free smoking cessation services, and with changes in law to make smoking illegal inside many buildings (workplaces, shops, pubs, cafés etc). Vaping was useful to move remaining smokers to different nicotine delivery mechanisms.

Pretty sure the pub change was huge. It also practically redefined what pubs are in the UK.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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I love tech. It pains me to come to the conclusion that in Facebook, we have created something that should not exist: an addicative worldwide mob where peddlers can sell emotionally manipulative ideas to the people least able to handle them, whether it's clicking cows all day long or believing Elvis is still alive.

In defense, I don't think anybody that was on-board at the beginning realized this. I do, however, feel that anybody in the last decade working at FB should have been smart enough to figure out what was going on. They just didn't care.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Sounds like Facebook wants the regulations, so that a new upstart competitor, cannot invent something novel, and pull the rug from under them. Like maybe, a social network that doesn’t manipulate us, or scan our faces without permission, or build dark profiles of everyone, or read our personal messages, or .....

>Like maybe, a social network that doesn’t manipulate us, or scan our faces without permission, or build dark profiles of everyone, or read our personal messages, or

Heh. Fat chance. The next generation of social networks will be coming from China because China is the perfect incubator for this category of software. You'll yet wish for Facebook.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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I love tech. It pains me to come to the conclusion that in Facebook, we have created something that should not exist: an addicative worldwide mob where peddlers can sell emotionally manipulative ideas to the people least able to handle them, whether it's clicking cows all day long or believing Elvis is still alive. In defense, I don't think anybody that was on-board at the beginning realized this. I do, however, feel…

I view it the opposite way: We underestimated as a society how many people were feeling bad. Addictions to alcohol is horrible, but their harm doesn’t scale. With social networks, we suddenly see what we chose to ignore before: The swathes of MGTOWs, Incels, doubters, we also see the swathes of “scientific studies” which were provably wrong, the lies of the medias when you compare the scientific study and how the articles spin them.

We should rather treat it as a brand new society with new balances, like after Gutemberg’s invention of the printer, which enabled communication and gave birth to Martin Luther, the accession of Bible translation to masses, the accession of The Encyclopedia, and more generally, the Humanists.

And maybe, just maybe, we should have taken better care of so many people we’ve put in such horrible situations that content binging becomes better than their life. Rather than assuming they were just crybabies.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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I love tech. It pains me to come to the conclusion that in Facebook, we have created something that should not exist: an addicative worldwide mob where peddlers can sell emotionally manipulative ideas to the people least able to handle them, whether it's clicking cows all day long or believing Elvis is still alive. In defense, I don't think anybody that was on-board at the beginning realized this. I do, however, feel…

I view it the opposite way: We underestimated as a society how many people were feeling bad. Addictions to alcohol is horrible, but their harm doesn’t scale. With social networks, we suddenly see what we chose to ignore before: The swathes of MGTOWs, Incels, doubters, we also see the swathes of “scientific studies” which were provably wrong, the lies of the medias when you compare the scientific study and how the art…

This is a difficult hypothesis to prove by virtue of the fact that if we didn't think people were feeling in certain ways this pre-FB, then it was presumably because we didn't have accurate data. It follows that if we didn't have the data then it's difficult to say whether FB et al tapped in to something that had yet to manifest itself in a subset of people, or had yet to become visible to society. Nevertheless, it's an interesting point that I hadn't really heard put this way before so thanks.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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I love tech. It pains me to come to the conclusion that in Facebook, we have created something that should not exist: an addicative worldwide mob where peddlers can sell emotionally manipulative ideas to the people least able to handle them, whether it's clicking cows all day long or believing Elvis is still alive. In defense, I don't think anybody that was on-board at the beginning realized this. I do, however, feel…

I disagree. FB has enriched my life at many ways, when my father was on deathbed I realized how much he used fb to just keep track of me every single time he remembered me. We spoke daily but I did not know he used facebook to "be with me".

I do understand your criticism but it is in the same line as how christian priests opposed education for peasants. They argued that if the ordinary massed could read it would mean they will read stuff they are not supposed to read. I am pretty sure similar criticism has be forced on TV, Cellphones, Comic books and what not.

I would say relax, this too shall will pass and even bigger distraction would take over our lives.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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There should be only one regulation for fb, display following warning on all pages/screens: Statutory Warning: This product is specifically designed to cause behavioral addiction so you are guided down a slippery slope of over consumption & that is how this company makes money. Overuse of this product is known to cause - anxiety, depression, low self esteem, constant craving for attention, short attention spans, inab…

I would argue this site can make you feel the same way :)

At least HN isn't designed to keep you addicted (sorry, engaged) :)

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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I love tech. It pains me to come to the conclusion that in Facebook, we have created something that should not exist: an addicative worldwide mob where peddlers can sell emotionally manipulative ideas to the people least able to handle them, whether it's clicking cows all day long or believing Elvis is still alive. In defense, I don't think anybody that was on-board at the beginning realized this. I do, however, feel…

I disagree. FB has enriched my life at many ways, when my father was on deathbed I realized how much he used fb to just keep track of me every single time he remembered me. We spoke daily but I did not know he used facebook to "be with me". I do understand your criticism but it is in the same line as how christian priests opposed education for peasants. They argued that if the ordinary massed could read it would mean…

(Just to the guy bellow: yes it does. Fb kills our pristin human interaction and replaces it with their ads.)
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