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Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by pbalau »

josephg wrote: post #59
mgraczyk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always disliked Facebook and still don't care much for it, but having worked on ranking there for a few months, comments like this just sound incredibly naive. Facebook is not "specifically designed to cause addiction". It's designed by a complicated process with many people trying to maximize many competing metrics, some of which might go up when people are "addicted". In fact the complete opposite is one of the m…

On what basis are you claiming that that most teams at FB are optimising the product for well being as opposed to ‘engagement’ (addiction)? Do you have first hand knowledge? Do you know the people involved? Do you have citations? I stopped using FB a few years ago after I had an argument with a friend on the platform. The algorithm decided to keep showing us one anothers’ content - I assume so we would both write mor…

Sorry, but you come out terrible "naive".

> On what basis are you claiming that that most teams at FB are optimising the product for well being as opposed to ‘engagement’ (addiction)? Do you have first hand knowledge? Do you know the people involved? Do you have citations?

OP answers this in his first paragraph.

> bla bla I left facebook bla bla

You are arguing that "the algorithm" didn't read your mind and figured out you are actually "mad" at your friend, not simply interacting.

ps: sentiment out of bodies of text is not a terrible old thing, is fairly new.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by hutzlibu »

kmlx wrote: post #56
nullc wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Essentially no one I know now smokes. Something was effective.

wasn't it taxes?

Wasn't it general awareness of the dangers, that did not existed before?

And when it started to rise generations were already addicted and simply a new generation needed to rise and slowly overcome it.

So rather .. a mix of it all? Because even though tobacco is expensive today, that doesn't stop the smokers from smoking. And people have lots of other expensive habits, so money is only a small part of it I believe.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by Kiro »

winrid wrote: post #46
blunderkid wrote: post #16

There should be only one regulation for fb, display following warning on all pages/screens: Statutory Warning: This product is specifically designed to cause behavioral addiction so you are guided down a slippery slope of over consumption & that is how this company makes money. Overuse of this product is known to cause - anxiety, depression, low self esteem, constant craving for attention, short attention spans, inab…

I would argue this site can make you feel the same way :)

Exactly. No site gives me more anxiety than HN while being so addictive at the same time.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by jevgeni »

mfDjB wrote: post #70

The article points out that Brussels are alright making regulations around artificial intelligence etc: "Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg is in Brussels lobbying the European Union’s regulators as they form new laws to govern artificial intelligence, content moderation and more" Does anyone know what they are thinking of doing in this regard? And what problems they are attempting to solve?

One example is facial recognition. From what I gather, there is a growing consensus that unrestrained facial recognition might be either in conflict, or pose a potential threat to certain legal rights of European citizens.

In Germany, for example, privacy-threatening issues are covered by a body of norms called "Persönlichkeitsrecht". Which are based constitutionally on Articles 1 and 2 of the German constitution (Grundgesetz) - the Right to Human Dignity and the Right to Personal Fulfillment/Development.

Allowing anyone storing and sharing facial recognition data willy-nilly might endanger those rights and hence might be a need for regulation.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by CaptainZapp »

winrid wrote: post #46
blunderkid wrote: post #16

There should be only one regulation for fb, display following warning on all pages/screens: Statutory Warning: This product is specifically designed to cause behavioral addiction so you are guided down a slippery slope of over consumption & that is how this company makes money. Overuse of this product is known to cause - anxiety, depression, low self esteem, constant craving for attention, short attention spans, inab…

I would argue this site can make you feel the same way :)

You know, there's the 'noprocrast' option, which you can very easily set to yes, if this site sucks too much of your time.

I don't think that Facebook offers anything comparable.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by sub7 »

It'll probably be too hard to regulate every unethical dark pattern and shitty default on the site.

What you can do is force Facebook to allow the user to 1 click export their graph and all friend data with it in a standardized format.

Once you force them to give me MY friends email addresses, phone numbers, and birthdays in a list, they're fucked because better products can then emerge.

Similar to the idea of regulating Google by making them open source their search index.

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by scarface74 »

adventured wrote: post #69
kmlx wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wasn't it taxes?

You're being downvoted, and you're correct. The single most important thing they did to turn the tide against smoking, to create a strong disincentive, was to make it a lot more expensive of a habit. Cigarettes used to be inexpensive when I was growing up in the 1980s. Now you'll nearly spend a car payment on just a pack per day. Chain smoker? There went your rent for the month. Chinese men are the most voracious smo…

I doubt the imagery campaign made much difference. How long has their been an anti drug campaign? Has it helped?

Marijuana use has become more socially acceptable and the number of people who want it legal has increased.

Just as an aside, the number of people who smoke weed regularly is about the same as people who smoke cigarettes.

http://pics.mcclatchyinteractive.com/news/nation-world/natio...

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by scarface74 »

sub7 wrote: post #76

It'll probably be too hard to regulate every unethical dark pattern and shitty default on the site. What you can do is force Facebook to allow the user to 1 click export their graph and all friend data with it in a standardized format. Once you force them to give me MY friends email addresses, phone numbers, and birthdays in a list, they're fucked because better products can then emerge. Similar to the idea of regula…

The last thing I want is to make it easier for my “friends” to share my information on other sites. Wasn’t that the entire issue with Cambridge Analytica?

Re: Facebook asks for a moat of regulations it already meets

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Post by izacus »

optimiz3 wrote: post #67
izacus wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is having all your medical data leaked on the web by a 5 person company any less damaging than by a 5000 person company? Or all of your internet history? Your face recordings? What you're really just creating here is an economy for small companies to steal and datamine your data and then resell it to others. For all the constant grinding about FB/Google on this website, small startups are usually a significantly…

False dichotomy. You can still have stuff penalties for leaking PII.

No false dichotomy there - stiff penalties for leaking PII IS the regulation.
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