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Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by lend000 »

remir wrote: post #49
dvh wrote: post #6

Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

There have been reports of UFOs since the second world war. I don't think the Chinese were flying highly advanced drones back then. Same thing with the US.

You didn't hear about Mao's peasant anti-gravity division?

Jokes aside, I'm certain the OP didn't read the article and isn't well read on the subject. The OP's idea makes for an interesting story if you don't try picking it apart, but the real story is much harder to grasp.

Most rational people cannot delve too deep into this subject without training wheels -- it can take years to get comfortable with some of the concepts that have been made public with some level of credibility, in my personal experience. So most folks will attach themselves to a half-baked explanation like this and then feel comfortable dismissing it, but hopefully will come around and revisit it over time, as I eventually did.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by remir »

Let's create a scenario for one moment: imagine we're being visited by a highly advanced civilization. Who they are, where they come from or why they're here is totally unknown. Again, just an imaginary scenario.

Now, put yourself in the shoes of public authorities all over the world. Can you really schedule a public speech in front of your population to declare that someone is flying in highly advanced crafts since decades and you still don't know who or what you're dealing with?

Of course not.

First, you'll pretend there's no such thing. Then, you'll have the air force declare they're studying the thing. And finaly, decades after, you'll say it's possible we're being visited and that this issue must be addressed by world leaders.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by ColanR »

nine_k wrote: post #45
pfisch wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, they have "highly advanced prototypes" where those prototypes obey the known laws of physics and experience inertia. They have drones that are better than the existing drones. They absolutely don't have drones that are anything like the impossible vehicles in these UFO reports though.

If some radio and optical trickery may lead an observer to believe that the device moves in impossible ways, it's valuable. Remember that we have strategic bombers with a radio signature of a trash can, or whatever. This is seen as normal, and has been publicized for decades. Same with Russian supersonic fighter jets that can stop in the air for a moment. If we (or "they") have a drone with a visual signature of an i…

> If some radio and optical trickery may lead an observer to believe that the device moves in impossible ways, it's valuable.

Pretty sure this was ruled out by the multiple methods of observation used.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by ColanR »

remir wrote: post #52

Let's create a scenario for one moment: imagine we're being visited by a highly advanced civilization. Who they are, where they come from or why they're here is totally unknown. Again, just an imaginary scenario. Now, put yourself in the shoes of public authorities all over the world. Can you really schedule a public speech in front of your population to declare that someone is flying in highly advanced crafts since…

Note also that if these sightings are extraterrestrial in origin, that highly advanced civilization is closely following the Star Trek Prime Directive in its interactions with Earth.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by tgflynn »

not_skeptic wrote: post #50
34679 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just pass orders down through the ranks to report all sightings, however odd they may seem? "Hey, we think the Chinese or Russians may have something new. It's imperative that all unidentifiable flying craft are reported." My personal theory is that the US knows exactly what these objects are because they built them. I don't believe the US military would've ever commented if they weren'…

Yeah, so I am curious here, why do you believe anything humans are capable of building can do what these objects are reported as doing? I ask this in all seriousness because I don't think you, me, or anyone else alive can answer how they do basically any of the stuff reported. This makes it hard for me to believe that not only has someone actually answered all of those questions, but actually mastered the science and…

One possible theory is that they aren't massive objects at all but instead are some sort of 3D projection in the air, probably involving plasma produced with high powered lasers, RF beams or particle beams. That would require technology that isn't publicly known but probably doesn't violate any laws of physics. However if you believe the claims made in this article that high-ranking officials have excluded the possibility that the events were due to any US SAP then this possibility becomes more remote. I think if anyone on Earth has this technology it would be the US, simply because they spend so much more on defense than any other country.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by tgflynn »

ColanR wrote: post #53
nine_k wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If some radio and optical trickery may lead an observer to believe that the device moves in impossible ways, it's valuable. Remember that we have strategic bombers with a radio signature of a trash can, or whatever. This is seen as normal, and has been publicized for decades. Same with Russian supersonic fighter jets that can stop in the air for a moment. If we (or "they") have a drone with a visual signature of an i…

> If some radio and optical trickery may lead an observer to believe that the device moves in impossible ways, it's valuable. Pretty sure this was ruled out by the multiple methods of observation used.

I don't think so. It's at least conceivable that an induced plasma phenomenon could be visible to radar, IR and the human eye.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by jandrese »

taneq wrote: post #44
mfer wrote: post #22

When someone says UFO many people immediately think aliens. The military often means something different. For example, a new Chinese aircraft they can't identify is a UFO. In this article the word "alien" only shows up twice and it's someones opinion. It's easy to have miscommunication on this topic.

"Any flying object is a UFO if you're bad enough at identifying flying objects."

This is what kicked me out of the UFO stuff. You'd see all of these amazing sounding stories, but with zero hard evidence to back them up and little to no attempt to figure out a non-alien explanation for the phenomenon. It's pure conspiracy thinking, not in the least bit useful for finding the truth. They'll take anything they hear at face value and repeat it. With little to no hard evidence to go on (most of hit "locked up by the government") all you have is anecdotes that trace back to lunatics attributed to third parties that never existed.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by voldacar »

lend000 wrote: post #51
remir wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been reports of UFOs since the second world war. I don't think the Chinese were flying highly advanced drones back then. Same thing with the US.

You didn't hear about Mao's peasant anti-gravity division? Jokes aside, I'm certain the OP didn't read the article and isn't well read on the subject. The OP's idea makes for an interesting story if you don't try picking it apart, but the real story is much harder to grasp. Most rational people cannot delve too deep into this subject without training wheels -- it can take years to get comfortable with some of the con…

You seem to have done some reading on this subject - care to recommend a few books that are well-researched and well-reasoned and not written by cranks?

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by andrewflnr »

not_skeptic wrote: post #50
34679 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just pass orders down through the ranks to report all sightings, however odd they may seem? "Hey, we think the Chinese or Russians may have something new. It's imperative that all unidentifiable flying craft are reported." My personal theory is that the US knows exactly what these objects are because they built them. I don't believe the US military would've ever commented if they weren'…

Yeah, so I am curious here, why do you believe anything humans are capable of building can do what these objects are reported as doing? I ask this in all seriousness because I don't think you, me, or anyone else alive can answer how they do basically any of the stuff reported. This makes it hard for me to believe that not only has someone actually answered all of those questions, but actually mastered the science and…

> you, me, or anyone else alive

One of these is not like the others.

Why do you think it's less plausible that humans have this technology than any other intelligent entity? There's no real reason to believe there's a sharp line between "human" and "other" capabilities. If the alternative is literally aliens, it's not a large stretch to imagine that once you've had the right insight, a Mach effect drive or something similar is possible.

The part of that story that's harder to believe is that we could have successfully kept it hidden this long.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by partiallypro »

dvh wrote: post #6

Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

Video experts have already established the videos are real, and not edited. I think it probably is US tech in the videos, but since it's FLIR cameras the government doesn't care because you can't see details. Otherwise, I don't think your theory is implausible...but the videos are definitely legit. If the tech is a drone, or a manned aircraft or some sort of diversionary tech to throw off enemy radar/instruments (which we tested against our own highly advanced instruments) that is up for debate. I do doubt it's aliens, though I want to believe. It could even be a way to sow doubt into enemies like China, as a way to say "look what we have." We'll probably find out in 40 years.
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