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Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by sliken »

pier25 wrote: post #129
iamphilrae wrote: post #16

My brand new Toyota C-HR comes with an entertainment screen that is not Retina display. Technology that has been out for half a decade and is found in the dirt cheapest of smart phones. It honestly doesn’t surprise me that the rest of their tech is so far behind.

The touchscreen system of my Honda HRV from that I bought in 2016 is ridiculously bad. I think the new models come with Android or Apple Car integration but mine has a UI that looks and feels from 20 years ago. Not only it's fugly, but it's slow and unresponsive. Bluetooth disconnects randomly. Sometimes the phone connects but not the audio. The volume control is a fucking touchscreen slider which is totally unrespon…

Touch screens in Subarus, BMWs, Lexus, and Fords (the ones I've personally tried) are laughably bad. Like 10 year old phones, of even older tables like the Nokia 770 tablet (2004 ish).

The Tesla was the first UI I tried that felt as good or better than this years phones. Nice large, clear, color display. Fast UI, pinch and zoom, etc. I do wish they spent a bit more on ram/SSD to keep a better local cache. Seems silly to zoom in, then zoom out and have to wait for the infill.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by sliken »

ohmaigad wrote: post #36
Blipeep wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should have buy a Tesla Model 3

None of the Teslas have Retina displays (> 200ppi)

Retina displays, at least at their intended meaning depends on the distance the display is meant to be viewed. So a phone you might well read at 2 feet needs quite a bit more PPI than a car display.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by nicpottier »

t0mas88 wrote: post #268
igrekel wrote: post #254

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I agree with you this is mainly a fluff piece and must be taken with a grain of salt. I also agree that Tesla overcomplexifies some aspects of their cars and I would appreciate a simpler efficient design. After all, its the simplicity of an electric drivetrain that appealed to me. That being said, I'm puzzled when you say its mediocre in comparison. My 3 got smashed and I have a Mercedes replacement for a few days du…

Prices here are incomparable to the US due to tax, but a model S starts at 90k if you accept it being only available in white (nobody does at that price). If you pick any other color, reasonable rims and a "luxury interior" as you would expect on cars in this price range it's 110k to 120k euro. That's more than a full option BMW 5 series or Audi A6 and comparable to a very high-end Audi A8 or BMW 7 series. Not sure a…

Standard range is $40k, AWD long range is $50k. Paint is $1000 extra for anything but black, $2000 for red. Where are you getting $64k?

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by jayd16 »

KaiserPro wrote: post #48

This is grand, apart from the build quality of the mechanics is ~10 years behind. Go to a tesla showroom, Look at the doors of the model three. Note that they don't line up. Look at the paint job, notice that there are bumps and chips, especailly on the edges of the doors. This is on a _demo_ car, stuck in a showroom. these should be perfect. Even a budget Kia has better build quality than this. Its not the isolated…

>Even a budget Kia has better build quality than this.

Is this a recent thing or do you mean the $20k+ as budget in this context? The last budget (cheap manual) Kia I sat in felt like a tin can deathtrap.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by dwighttk »

ameister14 wrote: post #204
rthomas6 wrote: post #127

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Where are you getting the 33k number? The model 3 is more like 40k base price.

in the article: "This is the takeaway from Nikkei Business Publications' teardown of the Model 3, the most affordable car in the U.S. automaker's all-electric lineup, starting at about $33,000."

author forgot to click the "purchase price" slider and instead rounded down the "price after potential fuel savings"

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Post by jayd16 »

wolfgke wrote: post #110
londons_explore wrote: post #95

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Yet most cars you buy today don't even have Wifi - a technology that's been around for over 20 years. There's no API for controlling them apart from a CAN bus which is barely documented, not wireless, not routable over networks, can't even deliver video feeds, and dates from 1986. It feels like car technology stopped when the generation of those born in the 40's retired. Ever since then, younger generations have been…

> There's no API for controlling them apart from a CAN bus which is barely documented, not wireless, The fact that the CAN bus is not wireless is rather a feature in terms of safety.

Most modern luxury cars have wireless diagnostics don't they? I believe BMW does at least. Should we shy away from them?

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by henrikschroder »

C14L wrote: post #170
KaiserPro wrote: post #48

This is grand, apart from the build quality of the mechanics is ~10 years behind. Go to a tesla showroom, Look at the doors of the model three. Note that they don't line up. Look at the paint job, notice that there are bumps and chips, especailly on the edges of the doors. This is on a _demo_ car, stuck in a showroom. these should be perfect. Even a budget Kia has better build quality than this. Its not the isolated…

And yet, Tesla costumers constantly poll as the most satisfied of all new car owners. Maybe there are more important things than bumps in the paint? Just guessing, I don't own a car.

> And yet, Tesla costumers constantly poll as the most satisfied of all new car owners.

I wonder what the demographics are exactly of people who buy Model 3's, is it their first $40k+ vehicle?

One thing is abundantly clear, the people who are super excited about "new" tech in Teslas aren't following motor news. People seem to have no clue whatsoever that a lot of the tech you can get in a Tesla exists in other cars as well. Tesla is definitely at the top of the pack, but they're not ahead of the pack.

It looks exactly like when Apple announce a "new" feature, and all the Android owners moan and bitch that their phones have had this feature for years, yet all the apple owners are super happy about their new iPhone with this new cool feature that they've never seen before.

They "shouldn't" be happy, but due to marketing warping people's perceptions, they are. I suspect something like that might apply to Teslas and the people who buy them. If you've never owned or driven a BMW 3-series or similar, and then switched to a Tesla Model 3, I perfectly understand why you think your Tesla is the best car you've ever had.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by kcb »

nix0n wrote: post #135
wil421 wrote: post #54

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Battery production seems like a problem that can be solved right now with money. VW and Toyota could partner with a 3rd party (like Tesla and Panasonic) and build factories. Custom silicon seems like a much harder problem for VM/Toyota. Unless a supplier can build something for them I don’t see either company innovating like Tesla. Basically Tesla’s secret sauce is the Tech not the EV components.

> Custom silicon seems like a much harder problem for VM/Toyota Nvidia built a custom chip for Nintendo, I'm sure they would build one for Toyota or VW.

The switch chip is an off the shelf Tegra X1.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by boredishBoi »

yellowapple wrote: post #285
oftenwrong wrote: post #197

I am a bit skeptical. Remember when Tesla ventured outside of the typical automotive supply chain to obtain large screens in their cars? https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows...

Exactly. And unlike this AI module thingamabob, a touchscreen doesn't have the power to fatally slam me into a wall at 70MPH going down the 101. I'd rather wait for the likes of Toyota to do things right with automotive-grade components and automotive-grade programming and automotive-grade testing than trust my life to whatever hackery Tesla wants to brogrammer into its ASICs. The article's probably right about some…

Automotive grade programming is a joke. There have been numerous posts here including one a couple days ago about the auto accelerating Toyota’s and it was pretty clear that the problem was with Toyota’s programming as well as their lack of testing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10437117

Not to mention the numerous ways current automotive manufacturers fail at cyber security. Stuff like OnStar and being able to shut down cars remotely.

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