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Jeff Bezos Commits $10B to Address Climate Change

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Re: Jeff Bezos Commits $10B to Address Climate Change

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After reading Winners Take All my level of cynicism is through the roof with headlines like this. $10b of his own personal fortune? That won't results in tax breaks / deduction because can be considered a donation? Or does that include money Amazon-the-company is spending on "climate change" efforts, such as buying electric delivery trucks instead of gas ones? Investments in "green datacenters"? Is any of this new in…

We're pretty light on details. I take it as he will probably gift $10 billion dollars worth of stock from his personal portfolio to a 501(c), which they will use as an endowment. I think this would bypass capital gains altogether?

But 'pledge' could mean any number of things, like selling stock slowly over time.

Re: Jeff Bezos Commits $10B to Address Climate Change

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$10b is an insane initial endowment. That's about a quarter of what the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation have after 20 years. It would be nice to have more details about the goals or objectives.

I also would push back on the idea that this is a "goodwill move". He dumped $2b in homelessness issues and it did nothing to move the needle on his likability. If anything it seemed to give him a lot of bad press and coverage. It seems more likely that he is either a) thinking about his long term legacy (a la Bill Gates), or b) he may (gasp) actually care about this issue.

Re: Jeff Bezos Commits $10B to Address Climate Change

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post #20

After reading Winners Take All my level of cynicism is through the roof with headlines like this. $10b of his own personal fortune? That won't results in tax breaks / deduction because can be considered a donation? Or does that include money Amazon-the-company is spending on "climate change" efforts, such as buying electric delivery trucks instead of gas ones? Investments in "green datacenters"? Is any of this new in…

I frequently see the "they're just doing this for the tax breaks" sentiment for these kinds of donations (especially when the donor is a corporation or hyper-wealthy individual) but I don't understand the reasoning.

From what I understand of tax deductions, a donation of $X basically means that the donor can skip paying taxes on $X of income. This results in a savings of tax% * $X, which is always The tax deduction also seems like a boon for the beneficiary, since they receive $X instead of (1 - tax%) * $X.

Can you help me understand the cynicism? How does the donor benefit here (aside from PR etc)? It seems like they do not come out ahead financially, and the tax breaks benefit the recipient of the donation.

Re: Jeff Bezos Commits $10B to Address Climate Change

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not believe in climate change. I also do not believe in a ruling elite advocating reduced consumption by others while consuming and emitting all they want simply because they have the money to “offset” it. It is an obscene display of privilege.

If this commenter opened with “I do not believe in climate change” many people here would have saved time and not responded to this quasi-trolling

Because all dissenting opinions are trolls? I genuinely dislike being preached to about climate change by mega-consumers like celebrities.

Re: Jeff Bezos Commits $10B to Address Climate Change

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post #20

After reading Winners Take All my level of cynicism is through the roof with headlines like this. $10b of his own personal fortune? That won't results in tax breaks / deduction because can be considered a donation? Or does that include money Amazon-the-company is spending on "climate change" efforts, such as buying electric delivery trucks instead of gas ones? Investments in "green datacenters"? Is any of this new in…

Why does this matter? If he truly is pledging $10B, it can only be a win for society and the future of humanity. It shouldn't really matter if he gets a tax break or not.

I wouldn’t call relying on consensual handouts from rich people a win for society.

Re: Jeff Bezos Commits $10B to Address Climate Change

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What are the tax implications of this wealth-transfer? Who are the winners?

We don't know the structure of "The Earth Fund" so here are some possibilities:

if its an actual fund then it can make more investments, no immediate tax consequences, but any long term capital losses, because nobody has a sustainability solution that makes any money, will serve to offset any taxes that he would have to pay on the long term capital gains of his Amazon stock sales.

if its another charitable foundation, then the whole $10B will offset up to 50% of his whole tax bill any year, rolling forward till there is no more to deduct. not just limited to any particular type of capital tax. he can also just donate his amazon shares without selling them first, gaining a charitable deduction on the entire value and no capital gains tax event, but depending on the type of charitable foundation the donation could be limited to his cost basis, instead of the current fair market value, another consequence being that a lower % max deduction is possible. Actually this could be genius because his cost basis might have become pegged to the fair market value in the divorce. The IRS allows divorcing couples to keep their original cost basis on split property but could be optional, given the nature of their settlement where it seems there were modifications onto what the stock contract actually is - with some shares transferred but voting rights retained.

So for example, there is almost no scenario where Jeff Bezos has to pay any taxes on the $4Billion in Amazon shares he sold earlier this year. Whether he converts another $10B shares to cash or not.

So even though he 'spends' on a cause and theoretically doesn't get to use that money for himself, even though its not paying the government either, he doesn't actually lose any money he ever actually had.

It's nice that a transaction towards this cause is occurring.

Re: Jeff Bezos Commits $10B to Address Climate Change

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post #20

After reading Winners Take All my level of cynicism is through the roof with headlines like this. $10b of his own personal fortune? That won't results in tax breaks / deduction because can be considered a donation? Or does that include money Amazon-the-company is spending on "climate change" efforts, such as buying electric delivery trucks instead of gas ones? Investments in "green datacenters"? Is any of this new in…

As others said, why should it matter? I would be happy even if he got an 100% tax credit. what percent of tax revenue would have gone to climate change vs bombing some civilians in Afghanistan.

Re: Jeff Bezos Commits $10B to Address Climate Change

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Couldn't he just buy out the major coal energy companies and force them to become 100% wind+solar+etc within x years.

A lot of the worst polluters are state owned coal plants. There are some private energy producers, but from what I understand, most energy companies just act as interstate brokers between local agencies.

Then, buy the biggest coal mining companies and shut them down (or convert to renewables).

In 2016, Australia was the world's biggest net coal exporter[1] with 32% of global exports and the fourth highest producer. As far as I know, all coal mining in Australia is undertaken by private companies who hold a mining lease.

The $10billion could be used to buy controlling interests in some of the 10 biggest listed coal mining companies in Australia[2] and stop mining.

What I don't know is if the Australian Government can withdraw a coal mining lease if it's not being used (then just reduce production to miniscule levels) or what the impact would be when the lease expires. Still, I'd suggest such a move would have a crippling near term impact on the coal mining industry, which might be enough to kick renewables along further to fill the gap.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_Australia#Production,_...

[2] https://top10companiesinaustralia.com/top-10-listed-coal-com...

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