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Launch HN: Motion (YC W20) – defense against online distractions and addictions

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Re: Launch HN: Motion (YC W20) – defense against online distractions and addictions

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I've been thinking on this for a few minutes, and I'm realizing I have no idea on what criteria YCombinator funds anymore. This seems like something the Pinboard Investment Co-Prosperity Cloud might have funded. The extension looks cool (outside of it being proprietary) and it looks like you did a good job on it! I'm just trying to think of reasons as to why YC is trying to mimic Softbank. The only reason I can think…

YC has always funded startups where the initial idea seems small but the founders seem effective and it's possible to imagine a path from the small thing to a big thing. That's one of YC's favorite kinds of startup to invest in. The fact that they seem odd and not worth funding is an advantage! Actually, if you read http://www.paulgraham.com/startupideas.html and http://www.paulgraham.com/altair.html , this startup i…

I wasn't implying that YC had changed, just that I can't tell what the reasoning is anymore. The second link is an interesting thing to link, because the reason I included the last line (along the lines of "I guess it could be sold to a malware vendor or something") was more or less because I was thinking on that; I took my time to think, and couldn't find many optimistic things.

My only other guess outside of the one listed is that it could be sold to Facebook or twitter after getting a large audience, because it aligns with historical acquisitions somewhat.

I'd be happy to be shown wrong in a year (I'd literally take anything over what I imagine is going to happen to it), but presently I'm mostly just confused.

Responding to the edits I only noticed after responding:

"Don't be discouraged if what you produce initially is something other people dismiss as a toy. In fact, that's a good sign."

I wasn't trying to discourage the people making the extension! I was mostly seeing if I could get any spare guesses as to what YC's mindset was when thinking about this.

Regarding whether what it's combating is a big deal:

Certainly, but I'm not sure if the solution to all of those is...a new big tech company, to put questions of profitability aside. It seems partially like bait to be acquired by a social media company, or Nielsen (which is a literal malware company at this point, they pay users to MITM their connections; a way to get the same data without paying seems like something they'd love).

Re: Launch HN: Motion (YC W20) – defense against online distractions and addictions

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Congrats on shipping! I've just installed and I'm curious on how do you plan to monetize this extension (since it's free and doesn't collect the URLs of the sites visited).

They had a line in the post that explained that: The extension is free at the moment. We plan on releasing for other browsers in the upcoming weeks. We plan on monetizing either through a premium tier with productivity tools built for power users or charging a very low amount from every user.

Ouch, thanks! I missed that.

Re: Launch HN: Motion (YC W20) – defense against online distractions and addictions

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This is great stuff, Harry. Congratulations on the launch.

Since you're asking for it, a request that I have is if there was a mobile-OS wide implementation of it, that'd be great. I've tried launchers like https://getsiempo.com (defunct?) and https://lessphone.app but walked away unimpressed due to a variety of reasons: The main one being having to change habits to adopt to the new UX, whilst solutions like blloc [0] look appealing from far-out, they need equal amount of buy-in. That said, I am all for zero-config solutions.

A personal hack, I want to share: I exclusively use distractive websites from the browser (no installing "fast", "always-on" apps), and I force clear cookies everytime tabs are closed.

That means, I'm forced to login to view any new comments, likes, messages, or notifications and that is enough of a detterent and an annoyance that I don't feel the urge to seek validation often by rechecking on number of upvotes, likes, or replies of the trails I leave on various social media websites like news.yc (which is amongst the cleanest social media websites out there, in that it doesn't employ any dark patterns to lure you in, but that karma count must keep going up, right? #growth-mindset).

Coming back to mobile, on Android, Google's digital well-being initiative [1] has help kick-start competing implementations. I particularly like OnePlus' version of it-- the Zen Mode [2]-- It requires no setup or configuration and simply learns to know what's causing distraction, shows you a pop-up warning about too much usage, and if enabled, it simply goes nuclear and denies access to the phone for 20m.

I'll keep an eye-out for Firefox and/or Brave versions of Motion. Any idea on timelines for those?

[0] https://www.blloc.com

[1] https://wellbeing.google

[2] https://www.androidcentral.com/oneplus-explains-how-and-why-...

Re: Launch HN: Motion (YC W20) – defense against online distractions and addictions

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I've been thinking on this for a few minutes, and I'm realizing I have no idea on what criteria YCombinator funds anymore. This seems like something the Pinboard Investment Co-Prosperity Cloud might have funded. The extension looks cool (outside of it being proprietary) and it looks like you did a good job on it! I'm just trying to think of reasons as to why YC is trying to mimic Softbank. The only reason I can think…

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Re: Launch HN: Motion (YC W20) – defense against online distractions and addictions

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I have this idea I like to think about from time to time.

"Know when to be Achilles and know when to be Odysseus."

When it comes to online distractions and addictions, I've found anything that any tool that doesn't offer precommitment and restrictions of editing/removing the intervention will be ineffective in the long run.

If Odysseus could have untied himself from the mast, he would have.

Apps like these seem to be designed for our best selves, when we need help for our worst selves. My best self would probably be successful using this app. But my worst self, probably will ignore the prompts over time until I get annoyed and uninstall the app

My app of choice has been Freedom, where you can set a schedule and prevent quitting the app. I have had problems where I needed to get work done on a website and couldn't so I understand the use case. A work pass feature is something I'll suggest to the Freedom team. But for me as a customer, having success in not over-consuming distracting/addicting sites/apps is immensely more important than the infrequent inconveniences from having to access sites for business/work purposes.

Re: Launch HN: Motion (YC W20) – defense against online distractions and addictions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

YC has always funded startups where the initial idea seems small but the founders seem effective and it's possible to imagine a path from the small thing to a big thing. That's one of YC's favorite kinds of startup to invest in. The fact that they seem odd and not worth funding is an advantage! Actually, if you read http://www.paulgraham.com/startupideas.html and http://www.paulgraham.com/altair.html , this startup i…

I wasn't implying that YC had changed, just that I can't tell what the reasoning is anymore. The second link is an interesting thing to link, because the reason I included the last line (along the lines of "I guess it could be sold to a malware vendor or something") was more or less because I was thinking on that; I took my time to think, and couldn't find many optimistic things. My only other guess outside of the on…

I'm no expert in YC's business, but I think the confusion might be coming from thinking about this too similarly to how later-stage investment works, where there are fewer investments to place and more information available, and therefore more up-front analysis. It's not feasible to do that in YC's case, where they fund hundreds of startups a year. Nor can such analysis apply anyhow—there's too much uncertainty at the earliest stage.

The way YC looks for signal is different: simple and rooted in a few fundamentals. Do the founders seem effective? are they talking to users? and so on. The funny thing is, even though the fundamentals are simple and have been laid out in pg essays for a decade or more, it's surprisingly hard to reason with them. The mind doesn't like to stop with so little. I think that's why YC funding something like this feels paradoxical. (In the present case, it wasn't what they applied with but something they came up with later; but that helps make the point.)

"Bait to get acquired" would be considered a negative, since that's not how a business like YC ends up with the few big successes that make or break it. It's more like this: is there some plausible random world in which this thing ends up becoming a major breakthrough? It doesn't have to be probable, just fairly imaginable. And the founders have to seem like the kind of people who might, with luck, pull it off.

(Sorry for editing the carpet from under you! What I just wrote here was in response to your pre-edited comment too, but hopefully is still relevant.)

Re: Launch HN: Motion (YC W20) – defense against online distractions and addictions

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I've been thinking on this for a few minutes, and I'm realizing I have no idea on what criteria YCombinator funds anymore. This seems like something the Pinboard Investment Co-Prosperity Cloud might have funded. The extension looks cool (outside of it being proprietary) and it looks like you did a good job on it! I'm just trying to think of reasons as to why YC is trying to mimic Softbank. The only reason I can think…

This is a serious problem we experience personally, and we know it’s a painful one for millions of others. We have the opportunity to help people claim back a significant amount of their time each day. The initial product is simple, but there are many other ways to expand and tackle this problem. Safe to say selling data or being acquired by malicious vendors is off the table.

Re: Launch HN: Motion (YC W20) – defense against online distractions and addictions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

YC has always funded startups where the initial idea seems small but the founders seem effective and it's possible to imagine a path from the small thing to a big thing. That's one of YC's favorite kinds of startup to invest in. The fact that they seem odd and not worth funding is an advantage! Actually, if you read http://www.paulgraham.com/startupideas.html and http://www.paulgraham.com/altair.html , this startup i…

I wasn't implying that YC had changed, just that I can't tell what the reasoning is anymore. The second link is an interesting thing to link, because the reason I included the last line (along the lines of "I guess it could be sold to a malware vendor or something") was more or less because I was thinking on that; I took my time to think, and couldn't find many optimistic things. My only other guess outside of the on…

I think yc would consider all those acquisitions you mentioned to be failures. One of the best things about yc is they are happy to get behind interesting projects built by interesting people and see what happens.

Re: Launch HN: Motion (YC W20) – defense against online distractions and addictions

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post #7

I've been thinking on this for a few minutes, and I'm realizing I have no idea on what criteria YCombinator funds anymore. This seems like something the Pinboard Investment Co-Prosperity Cloud might have funded. The extension looks cool (outside of it being proprietary) and it looks like you did a good job on it! I'm just trying to think of reasons as to why YC is trying to mimic Softbank. The only reason I can think…

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