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Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by moduspol »

celerrimus wrote: post #179

But also is probably 6 years ahead in problems and issues related to bugs in design and software. Ie, recent news about wearing SSD that is causing already and will brick every Tesla model available, problems with updates, etc. Also, security risks have to be considered with such vehicle. It's not that Toyota or VW can't afford in software/hardware research - because they have more than enough resources for this. Tho…

> recent news about wearing SSD that is causing already and will brick every Tesla model available

Unless you're describing something else, that issue is limited to older Teslas:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/flash-memory-wear-killing-...

> Not only is this the first time we've ever had a long-term car suffer a catastrophic failure while parked

Any other car "being parked and then later failing to start" is not newsworthy. It was interesting in this case because it was detected and the owner notified via push notification that it occurred.

Obviously it shouldn't have happened, especially since it's a newer car. But it's the push notification that made it newsworthy. "My car wouldn't start and had to be towed to a dealer to get fixed for an incredibly rare issue that happened to me" could be written for any car, and nobody would care.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by jazzyjackson »

ciconia wrote: post #6

I'd really like to see a simple EV for a change. No screens, no AI, no Autopilot, just a 5-seat vehicle with a reasonable range (400+ km) and AC.

I drive a plug in Prius -- it has an EV range of 40 km and a gas range of 800 km, I enjoy having a silent EV most of my in town driving, but if I want to do a day trip with 6 hours of driving in a day I don't have to plan where I'm going to park it. It's still pretty computerized of course, lane keep assist and radar cruise control.

I also have wanted an EV truck that's more old fashioned -- it's not like you need ASICs and GPUs to move charge between wheels and a battery. For getting something that's built to last and won't make decisions for you I would check out Bollinger -- I read somewhere they were keeping it as much of a self-service architecture as possible to appease customers who need to maintain the vehicle 'in the field'

From their website: "the Bollinger B1 might well be the last truck you’ll ever need to buy"

https://bollingermotors.com/

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by shakestheclown »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #248
pmorici wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False, you cannot buy a Model 3, or any Tesla for that matter that doesn't have leather. There was a planed cloth seat for the model 3 but they scrapped that.

Is it real animal skin? As someone who opts out of leather interiors in cars, and knowing that Tesla sells well to the SV crowd, I'm surprised that there'd be no way to buy a tesla without killing some cattle.

3 and Y are vegan leather. The others had a cloth option, but for the new ones the leather will be vegan.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by igrekel »

t0mas88 wrote: post #191

This feels very much like a marketing fluff piece pushed by Tesla PR. Take this gem: "Young companies like Tesla, on the other hand, are not shackled to suppliers and are free to pursue the best technologies available." Try the automated windscreen wipers on any big car brand, they're mostly made by Bosch and they work, even on a 15 year old car. Then Tesla came along with their own approach, guess what, they didn't…

I agree with you this is mainly a fluff piece and must be taken with a grain of salt. I also agree that Tesla overcomplexifies some aspects of their cars and I would appreciate a simpler efficient design. After all, its the simplicity of an electric drivetrain that appealed to me.

That being said, I'm puzzled when you say its mediocre in comparison. My 3 got smashed and I have a Mercedes replacement for a few days during repairs and it really feels like a big, loud and clumsy car with an obnoxious amount of chrome. Maybe its the difference in price range, the 3 completes at a much lower price point.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

kolinko wrote: post #125
pmorici wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Total non-sense; this might have been true about the first ones off the line 2 years ago but hasn't been the case for some time. They also seem to be selling them faster than they can make them so even if true which it isn't the market doesn't seem to care.

The market will care when it comes to upgrading to the new model in a few years.

People have been upgrading Tesla for years already. There are been some very extensive surveys about Tesla reliability (about all kinds of defects) and owners say they are overwhelming satisfied, overall: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-tesla-model-3-survey...

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

KaiserPro wrote: post #48

This is grand, apart from the build quality of the mechanics is ~10 years behind. Go to a tesla showroom, Look at the doors of the model three. Note that they don't line up. Look at the paint job, notice that there are bumps and chips, especailly on the edges of the doors. This is on a _demo_ car, stuck in a showroom. these should be perfect. Even a budget Kia has better build quality than this. Its not the isolated…

Less than 0.5% of owners say they are dissatisfied with the exterior appearance of their Tesla (including paint issues)[0]. And quality has continued to improve since then.

That is, by far, the most extensive and reliable source we have on this topic but please point to any other study that might say the contrary.

[0] https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-tesla-model-3-survey...

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by netfl0 »

mark-r wrote: post #221
netfl0 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These seem like legitimate but insignificant issues. As long as it is functionally sound, I don't think minor cosmetic issues will materially impact public opinion. The general public is unaware of body panel alignment as a concept.

That's what Detroit car companies said when Japanese car quality started taking off. The worst fit and finish I ever saw was my sister's 1980 Dodge Aspen.

Sorry can you clarify your point? I am lost in a bit of ambiguity in the syntax.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by _ea1k »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #250
_ea1k wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBH, I think the idea that the Leaf from 7 years ago is in the same segment requires some distortion of reality. The Leaf is not nearly as sporty, had a much lower range, and also had a much less reliable battery. The modern Leaf fixes these problems by being as expensive as a Model 3, and its still slower.

The modern leaf is close to $10,000 cheaper than a Model 3. $31600 vs $39990.

At $31k, the Leaf does not have fast charging and has a range of 149 miles. Want "Quick" charging at a peak rate of 50KW? That's the $34k Leaf, which still has a range of 149 miles. Granted, this comes with a tax break, but comparing MSRP to MSRP, the SR Model 3 looks like the better deal at 220 miles of range.

To get to 226 miles of range with the Leaf puts you at $38k. To also get intelligent cruise (standard on the SR+ Model 3 at 40k), you will need another couple thousand dollars on the Leaf.

The tax break and dealer negotiation do make the Leaf cheaper, but the list price alone really doesn't.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by Kirby64 »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #252
ciconia wrote: post #6

I'd really like to see a simple EV for a change. No screens, no AI, no Autopilot, just a 5-seat vehicle with a reasonable range (400+ km) and AC.

I drive a plug in Prius -- it has an EV range of 40 km and a gas range of 800 km, I enjoy having a silent EV most of my in town driving, but if I want to do a day trip with 6 hours of driving in a day I don't have to plan where I'm going to park it. It's still pretty computerized of course, lane keep assist and radar cruise control. I also have wanted an EV truck that's more old fashioned -- it's not like you need AS…

Unless you want a box that costs way too much money, the Bollinger B1 just seems silly. It's the Hummer H1 of EVs... in fact it's so heavy it legally isn't mandated to have airbags.

If that old-school minimalist aesthetic really appeals to you, more power to you... but it definitely doesn't seem to be meant for the majority of folks.

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