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Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 2:57 PM UTC

almost_usual wrote: post #20

bengale wrote: post #13

Tight control of the hardware and software reminds me of Apple.

With Larry Ellison on the board it reminds me of Oracle.

With red on the logo, it reminds me of Coca-Cola.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by Invictus0 » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 2:57 PM UTC

Seems like these components were authorized at the height of the self driving hype cycle as a way of future proofing the cars--that is, the owner could download a self-driving software update and the hardware would already be ready for it. In retrospect, this looks foolish: doing self driving without a LIDAR is borderline unethical.

I wouldn't be surprised if newer models do away with these ASICs until the software is further along.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by maxsilver » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 2:57 PM UTC

ciconia wrote: post #6

I'd really like to see a simple EV for a change. No screens, no AI, no Autopilot, just a 5-seat vehicle with a reasonable range (400+ km) and AC.

So, a Chevy Bolt?

It does have an infotainment screen, but otherwise: no AI, no Autopilot, 5 seat vehicle, Air Conditioning, and a 416km range

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by cozzyd » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 2:57 PM UTC

In other words, Tesla teardown finds remote bricking capability 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW.

In seriousness, it's no surprise that older vendors will incrementally upgrade their hardware and work with suppliers rather than starting from scratch and obsoleting all suppliers. Likewise, I assume $startup_du_jour has a tech stack "6 years ahead" (whatever that means) of more established players.

edit: s/de jure/du jour. Thanks lorenzhs

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by blattimwind » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 2:58 PM UTC

> https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/htt...

Strikes me as a typical low-reliability design. Would be surprised if this unit lasts ten (or even five) years.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by ohmaigad » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 2:58 PM UTC

Blipeep wrote: post #27

iamphilrae wrote: post #16

My brand new Toyota C-HR comes with an entertainment screen that is not Retina display. Technology that has been out for half a decade and is found in the dirt cheapest of smart phones. It honestly doesn’t surprise me that the rest of their tech is so far behind.

Should have buy a Tesla Model 3

None of the Teslas have Retina displays (> 200ppi)

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by fred_is_fred » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 2:58 PM UTC

iamphilrae wrote: post #16

My brand new Toyota C-HR comes with an entertainment screen that is not Retina display. Technology that has been out for half a decade and is found in the dirt cheapest of smart phones. It honestly doesn’t surprise me that the rest of their tech is so far behind.

Every decision made on a car like that is based on cost. The C-HR is a low cost car and I'm sure the retina display is one of hundreds of cost savings decisions made. The Tesla OTOH costs about 1.5-2xx as much as what I see as the base price for the C-HR - so I'd expect more expensive components.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by almost_usual » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 2:58 PM UTC

hyperbovine wrote: post #26

iamphilrae wrote: post #16

My brand new Toyota C-HR comes with an entertainment screen that is not Retina display. Technology that has been out for half a decade and is found in the dirt cheapest of smart phones. It honestly doesn’t surprise me that the rest of their tech is so far behind.

How often do you replace your phone? How often do you replace your car?

Larry Ellison and Tesla definitely want you to replace your car like your phone.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by winry » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 2:58 PM UTC

iamphilrae wrote: post #16

My brand new Toyota C-HR comes with an entertainment screen that is not Retina display. Technology that has been out for half a decade and is found in the dirt cheapest of smart phones. It honestly doesn’t surprise me that the rest of their tech is so far behind.

I bet your C-HR didn't cost +$40,000.

Re: Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Post by iamphilrae » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 2:59 PM UTC

hyperbovine wrote: post #26

iamphilrae wrote: post #16

My brand new Toyota C-HR comes with an entertainment screen that is not Retina display. Technology that has been out for half a decade and is found in the dirt cheapest of smart phones. It honestly doesn’t surprise me that the rest of their tech is so far behind.

How often do you replace your phone? How often do you replace your car?

Exactly that my point. My car is brand new, the model is brand new, yet it’s screen looks like it’s out the bargain basement of an LCD factory. In 5 to 10 year’s time when I replace the car, it’ll look even worse!