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Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

pcr910303 wrote: post #119
dmix wrote: post #69

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Found a page with some information + a screenshot of Harmonica: https://linuxreviews.org/HamoniKR There wasn't any english stuff for Tmax distro that I could find... idk why they don't just adopt Debian + Gnome for their desktop stuff with some Korean development work on top of that. It's a great looking UI/UX and would be perfect especially if most of the software is via the browser/SaaS anyway. Or some occasional w…

> dk why they don't just adopt Debian + Gnome for their desktop stuff with some Korean development work on top of that. It's a great looking UI/UX and would be perfect especially if most of the software is via the browser/SaaS anyway. Or some occasional wine translations where needed. Well, (as you mentioned in the edit) it doesn’t create something totally new — AFAIK it uses the cinnamon DE. Also, you mentioned abou…

I thought Hangul has a small alphabet. Does it still need an input editor?

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by imtringued »

dntbnmpls wrote: post #109

I commend their effort, but I believe it should be done on an entire ecosystem level. From assembly to libraries to documents to frameworks. All of it should be turned into Korean, French, Mandarin, Russian, etc. If the governments of major nations decided to do it in a systematic manner along with corporate and university help, it shouldn't be that difficult a task. Create it once and then your entire citizenry can…

>How many people around the world are simply discouraged from programming because of added burden of having to learn English?

I think that number is very very small. Learning English is something that every teenager with access to the internet is capable of.

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

meeebooo wrote: post #108
pcr910303 wrote: post #41

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> Microsoft will just offer Windows for free Which... doesn’t have a really incentive now in because all of the legacy components that required Windows in the first place are all broken on Win10... > Office at a steep discount ... and we don’t really rely on Microsoft Office that much (compared to other countries). The dominant word processor is from a local company (side note: Word is just awful... seriously. Maybe…

But how will Martha in Accounting (or whatever the Korean equivalent of Martha in Accounting is) learn how to deal with the UX terribleness that is most of Linux? Windows she's been using all of her life, it might not be much better but she's used to it.

>UX terribleness

Linux has an upper hand in terms of UX since Windows Vista, and the gap widened greatly since then, go read what people think about metro.

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

mr_toad wrote: post #137
pcr910303 wrote: post #120

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> But how will learn how to deal with the UX terribleness that is most of Linux? They learnt to deal with the terrible UX in Windows, no reason they can’t on Linux. :-) > it might not be much better but she's used to it. It’s her work, she better get used to it too keep working; That’s a pretty compelling reason to get used to Linux, right?

> They learnt to deal with the terrible UX in Windows, no reason they can’t on Linux. :-) They could, but they won’t. They want Outlook and Word and Excel, and they’ll exhibit a mule-like stubbornness to budge.

>They want Outlook and Word and Excel

They are redesigned every version though, there's nothing fixed to want from them.

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by eatonphil »

Hydraulix989 wrote: post #145
ethbro wrote: post #143

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Is there any reason why global corporations aren't opening engineering offices there? Seems obvious knowledge-salary arbitrage.

Language barriers, timezones (their night is our day; it is flipped). Most skilled Korean software engineers end up in the Valley. Remote development only goes so far.

I don't see it any differently than companies with an office in India. While English is not a national language in RoK, Koreans are still taught English early. In my limited experience, being married to a Korean and having worked with Indians, Korean professionals speak English about as well as Indian professionals.

The timezone is similar: India is 10 hours forward from America/New_York, RoK is 12 hours forward. Flights to RoK (12-14 hours) are actually significantly shorter than flights to India (20 hours).

Indians are probably paid less than Koreans, but I don't know. And I cannot speak to the technical proficiencies of either.

I'd definitely like to open an office in RoK some time.

If anyone on here has done so or is interested, send me an email.

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by clutchingstraws »

redis_mlc wrote: post #156
Hydraulix989 wrote: post #70

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Korea doesn’t value software engineers like Silicon Valley does. Over there, it is considered menial work and the pay is VERY substandard. This has been true as recently as 2018, but it is (too slowly) starting to change. The only FAANG with an engineering office in Seoul is Google.

Same with Japan. Read some of patio11's posts on that.

My terrible experiences with the remote-control app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.panasonic....) for my otherwise-fine mirrorless cameras now makes total sense. Even though the app has received constant updates for years, it's still extremely unreliable, and looks like hasn't had a visual update in ten years.

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

pcr910303 wrote: post #120
meeebooo wrote: post #108

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But how will Martha in Accounting (or whatever the Korean equivalent of Martha in Accounting is) learn how to deal with the UX terribleness that is most of Linux? Windows she's been using all of her life, it might not be much better but she's used to it.

> But how will learn how to deal with the UX terribleness that is most of Linux? They learnt to deal with the terrible UX in Windows, no reason they can’t on Linux. :-) > it might not be much better but she's used to it. It’s her work, she better get used to it too keep working; That’s a pretty compelling reason to get used to Linux, right?

> They learnt to deal with the terrible UX in Windows, no reason they can’t on Linux. :-)

Linux's terrible UIs change pretty much every month as Linux GUI devs get bored and decide to reinvent everything for no reason. Microsoft has only recently started doing that and it's still at a much slower pace.

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #146
oldgun wrote: post #87

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As much as I want to believe it, Linux is still quite lagging in the personal computing area, where hardware support, graphics support, creativity application support, and enterprise support are still far behind Windows/Mac. Linux still has a long way to go.

Its a chicken and egg problem. We need people using it and the software will catchup. I a recent convert to Linux desktop, and it's not as far behind as I thought it would be.

> Its a chicken and egg problem. We need people using it and the software will catchup.

I doubt it. There's a lot of reasons developers don't target Linux and "it doesn't have users" is only one. Look at the several game devs who decided to stop supporting Linux after trying it. Linux Desktop's software distribution mechanism of choice is to insert community repo maintainers between developers and users, there are some 300 distributions all of which potentially have completely different base libraries, drivers are generally worse and no one takes responsibility for fixing them, etc.

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Post by kalleboo »

pcr910303 wrote: post #47
boulos wrote: post #42

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Since you’re here, can you explain what’s special about the Hancom/Hangul office software? The Wikipedia articles all just say things like “specialized support” or “special needs”. I would have assumed that the key requirement is Hangul input, which presumably other word processing and spreadsheet programs could do just fine.

> I would have assumed that the key requirement is Hangul input, which presumably other word processing and spreadsheet programs could do just fine. Hangul support was a key feature in the 80s where everything was MS-DOS; and it wasn’t prevalent then where a lot of hangul-supporting word processors were on the market. The killer feature of the Hangul Word Processor to most users is that it allows substantial control…

> The killer feature of the Hangul Word Processor to most users is that it allows substantial control on the layout of the document... in a way that westerners don’t really care

There's a similar tendency in Japan to use MS Excel for a lot of documents that westerners would use MS Word for for the same reason - detailed, rigid, layout.

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by hutzlibu »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #197
pcr910303 wrote: post #120

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> But how will learn how to deal with the UX terribleness that is most of Linux? They learnt to deal with the terrible UX in Windows, no reason they can’t on Linux. :-) > it might not be much better but she's used to it. It’s her work, she better get used to it too keep working; That’s a pretty compelling reason to get used to Linux, right?

> They learnt to deal with the terrible UX in Windows, no reason they can’t on Linux. :-) Linux's terrible UIs change pretty much every month as Linux GUI devs get bored and decide to reinvent everything for no reason. Microsoft has only recently started doing that and it's still at a much slower pace.

If you pick some random community version, then yes.

But you know, there are versions with commercial support out there. And governments could have the budget to actually maintain their own version. (they do btw.)

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