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Re: Nissan Leaf

#61

Post by Yaggo »

citricsquid wrote: post #19

I don't understand how we've gone from "Flash is crap for entire websites" (edit: which is almost always true) to "Flash is the devil in every situation". It has its place, Javascript will never and shouldn't try and "kill" Flash, they're different.

"Flash is the devil in every situation"

Aside from technical issues, I think the above is valid philosophical argument per se due to closed nature of Flash.

From the very beginning, the Web evolved as an open system; no special tools are required for content creation and every browser has equipped with a "view source" feature.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#62

Post by webuiarchitect »

Wow! I like that!! Much faster.. and not need of any plugin that crashes every now and then.

Plus you don't lose on search engines and history management can be left to the browser.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#63

Post by Yaggo »

fleitz wrote: post #55

One should note that if you pull the site up in IE it still uses flash, which means we still need flash. Unless you're willing to say goodbye to 40% of your customers.

Graceful degradation / progressive enhancement anyone? (Btw, Raphaël supports IE6 too.)

Re: Nissan Leaf

#64

Post by Locke1689 »

citricsquid wrote: post #19

I don't understand how we've gone from "Flash is crap for entire websites" (edit: which is almost always true) to "Flash is the devil in every situation". It has its place, Javascript will never and shouldn't try and "kill" Flash, they're different.

Well, to a certain extent. There's also a viable position that Flash is simply the improper tool for every job by the nature of its construction. The fallacy is believing that 1) the tool which should replace Flash exists or 2) existing technologies should be improperly shoehorned to replace the areas where Flash should be replaced.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#65

Post by webuiarchitect »

citricsquid wrote: post #19

I don't understand how we've gone from "Flash is crap for entire websites" (edit: which is almost always true) to "Flash is the devil in every situation". It has its place, Javascript will never and shouldn't try and "kill" Flash, they're different.

Btw, SVG isn't exactly JavaScript; its a part - just like ActionScript in Flash.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#66

Post by th55 »

gloob wrote: post #24
trustfundbaby wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've got to convince the masses, that you can do Flash ... without flash first, before you can get them to stop using flash.

As soon as the masses decide that HTML5 = "Flash, but better", everything that is bad about Flash will rapidly become everything that's bad about HTML5. Changing the underlying technology will not change the people who use it.

this is so true.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#67

Post by kristianp »

SeanLuke wrote: post #27
jtchang wrote: post #3

There is a desc tag: Created with Raphaël http://raphaeljs.com/reference.html Awesome stuff.

What's this then? http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/js/js.swf__v2.0.2...

Maybe they made it in flash, but use javascript to run the .swf file?

Re: Nissan Leaf

#69

Post by homecoded »

wladimir wrote: post #33
citricsquid wrote: post #19

I don't understand how we've gone from "Flash is crap for entire websites" (edit: which is almost always true) to "Flash is the devil in every situation". It has its place, Javascript will never and shouldn't try and "kill" Flash, they're different.

Well, to me it's good news, the web will be a lot snappier when it's fully integrated. No more clunky plugins. No matter what Adobe says, the Flash plugin still manages to crash a lot here, increases memory usage, and loads the CPU like crazy. There are certainly a few corner cases left in which flash remains a better fit, but it's losing territory, fast. Good work Nissan.

Making things simpler on the net is probably a good thing. I'm worried though about what will happen when the same bad programmers who make mem-leaking and performance consuming flash ads now will jump on the JavaScript train. Flash is in a shell: no messing up the global namespace, no interfering with the rest of the website code.

It has been said before: not Flash is the devil. It's people who program but who have no clue how it's done. They have destroyed the reputation of a not-too-bad platform.

Re: Nissan Leaf

#70

Post by Raphael_Amiard »

varaon wrote: post #29
cookiecaper wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flash is here to stay until someone creates a designer-oriented HTML5/JS/SVG IDE analogous to Adobe's designer-oriented Flash/AS IDE. Even after that point, it'll be a while before we see Flash head out the door. There's a lot that HTML5 doesn't address yet.

"Someone" might be Adobe: http://tv.adobe.com/watch/adc-presents/preview-of-the-edge-p...

I think it would be a dream for adobe, to be able to discharge themselves of maintaining their player on multiple architectures on browser makers.
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