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South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by boulos »

pcr910303 wrote: post #47
boulos wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you’re here, can you explain what’s special about the Hancom/Hangul office software? The Wikipedia articles all just say things like “specialized support” or “special needs”. I would have assumed that the key requirement is Hangul input, which presumably other word processing and spreadsheet programs could do just fine.

> I would have assumed that the key requirement is Hangul input, which presumably other word processing and spreadsheet programs could do just fine. Hangul support was a key feature in the 80s where everything was MS-DOS; and it wasn’t prevalent then where a lot of hangul-supporting word processors were on the market. The killer feature of the Hangul Word Processor to most users is that it allows substantial control…

Interesting! I’m curious why people never moved to say Quark XPress then, but presumably it was “Hancom makes us this super custom thing, and it’s way cheaper than any desktop publishing software”.

Is there a lot of diversity in the types of documents people make? (Like, why isn’t this a case of having lots of templates?)

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by noobermin »

pcr910303 wrote: post #25

South Korean here, explanation for some context: South Korea has a deep legacy of MS-DOS/Windows, and it’s reliance of Microsoft’s OS is very high. This mostly is due to two reasons: the high use of the unique word processor(Hangul Word Processor) and the legacy ActiveX plugins used for cryptography when banking. In the 90s, multiple internet service providers used ActiveX technology (for people who doesn’t know, it’…

The activX dependence is one hell of a thing. I once applied for grad school in Seoul and it was a harrowing experience just sending them documents.

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by rascul »

yingw787 wrote: post #11

As someone who very much uses and likes FOSS, I'm not sure I'd actually recommend people use Linux in end-user, day to day work. I can definitely see BSD or Linux in core infrastructure, but end users don't really care too much about which OS to use, they care about driver compatibility, UX usability, and app availability, among other things like security and what-not. Windows has apps, it has vendor-built drivers, i…

Interestingly enough, my tech illiterate Dad has been running OpenSuse for years now and has the opposite experience of what you describe. It has drivers for his hardware that Windows no longer can use, he likes KDE's GUI significantly better than Windows, apps for just about anything that are a few trivial clicks away from being installed, updates come quick and automatic, and it runs much better than the Windows install he hasn't booted in months.

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by rvz »

est31 wrote: post #40
yingw787 wrote: post #11

As someone who very much uses and likes FOSS, I'm not sure I'd actually recommend people use Linux in end-user, day to day work. I can definitely see BSD or Linux in core infrastructure, but end users don't really care too much about which OS to use, they care about driver compatibility, UX usability, and app availability, among other things like security and what-not. Windows has apps, it has vendor-built drivers, i…

> Windows has apps, it has vendor-built drivers, it has auto-update and nice GUIs and all that. Linux doesn't. Linux has tons of auto update solutions. E.g. on Debian you can configure the unattended-upgrades package to do it for you. There are plenty of nice GUIs for most tasks if you use the right distro. Ultimately, it's up to the admins of the deployments to take care of updates, not up to the end users. As for t…

> Linux has tons of auto update solutions. E.g. on Debian you can configure the unattended-upgrades package to do it for you. There are plenty of nice GUIs for most tasks if you use the right distro.

These suggestions are still problems for many Linux distros these days and for general users there should be one sane default solution for 'auto-updating', just like Windows and macOS. No user should have to configure packagename-1.0 to do automatic upgrades for the user, it should be in the default install and configurable via the settings GUI with a simple checkbox. Finally, to further confuse the end-user to switch to a Linux distro is when they have to choose 'the right distro'. Windows and macOS come in one recognisable desktop form, Linux still suffers from an identity crisis on the desktop for end-users.

Unfortunately, it isn't possible for me to recommend a Linux distro to an end-user only for them to end up being frustrated with the switching process and eventually going back to Windows or macOS. Ubuntu and ChromeOS may suffice for some users but the other distros will confuse them further.

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

zzzcpan wrote: post #29
yingw787 wrote: post #11

As someone who very much uses and likes FOSS, I'm not sure I'd actually recommend people use Linux in end-user, day to day work. I can definitely see BSD or Linux in core infrastructure, but end users don't really care too much about which OS to use, they care about driver compatibility, UX usability, and app availability, among other things like security and what-not. Windows has apps, it has vendor-built drivers, i…

To your updates point: as I understand Microsoft's strategy they are doing rolling release now, which is how a desktop OS should do in the age when hardware is expected to still be fast enough for everything in 15 years. Ubuntu doesn't do it, their LTS is just 5 years, neither does MacOS by the way. This is of course very annoying to deal with and disrupts and breaks user experience pretty significantly. But also is…

You could use Manjaro instead- it has rolling releases, is based on Arch, and looks and feels nice to use.

Re: South Korea switching their 3.3M PCs to Linux

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

OrgNet wrote: post #55

Windows 10 was the last nail in the coffin for Windows....

Windows 10 seems to run faster on older computers than even 7 did.

Not saying it's my favorite thing, but rolling updates and decent built-in anti-malware make it a fairly good option these days, and with WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) and Multipass, there's a lot of Linux stuff that can be done on Windows.

IMO, Windows 10, the separated kernel stuff they're doing, and their current support for Open Source software is the best thing Microsoft has done in a long time.

Hopefully they don't get to Extinguish this time.

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