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Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by PunchTornado »

ec109685 wrote: post #140
neil_s wrote: post #86

Nothing is happening to Google Cloud overall. This is just a small org where two teams were doing similar stuff, so they got merged. This made a few roles redundant, so those folks will be looking for new roles within Google (Cloud). How this made for a WSJ headline, IDK. I couldn't read the whole article because paywall, but the first few lines do mention that it's a tiny number of employees affected and they can lo…

It still seems strange they don’t need more of this person’s role and would instead eliminate it: https://twitter.com/whyhiannabelle/status/122810842950535168... It isn’t a good look. “This morning I learned that my role at Google has been eliminated. If you've got an opening for someone who's in Kubernetes and containers security, focuses on content, advocacy, and communication, and has an OSS background, holler!”

why? do you think cloud marketing people are hard to find?

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Post by corentin88 »

mattlondon wrote: post #222

I don't have any knowledge of this, but it sounds to me a lot like a typical everyday re-org or "defragmentation" that happen frequently. Defragmentation example: they have a team with 12 people in California, 5 in New York, 2 in Seattle and 3 in Zurich. They decide to move all roles into one location instead of having the team split all over. If you don't want to move with the role, then you need to find something n…

I hope you’re right. My team have chosen Google Cloud. With every news like this one, the risk that Google will shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by sbergot »

sbenji wrote: post #250
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

Data sovereignty will not impact cloud providers as us companies are already regionalizing data.

US compagnies still have to follow US laws that requires them to provide customer data when asked by the US government.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by dewey »

corentin88 wrote: post #252
mattlondon wrote: post #222

I don't have any knowledge of this, but it sounds to me a lot like a typical everyday re-org or "defragmentation" that happen frequently. Defragmentation example: they have a team with 12 people in California, 5 in New York, 2 in Seattle and 3 in Zurich. They decide to move all roles into one location instead of having the team split all over. If you don't want to move with the role, then you need to find something n…

I hope you’re right. My team have chosen Google Cloud. With every news like this one, the risk that Google will shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen.

> shutdown its cloud division seems more and more likely to happen

That seems extremely unlikely, the products that Google shuts down from time to time are usually not products that make money. GCP is a whole different beast with SLAs, paying customers, huge corporations using it. It also wouldn't make sense to give up the position as one of the few big cloud hosters.

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Post by xchaotic »

louhike wrote: post #243
ritchiea wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in your example it wouldn’t mean the cloud is dead, the big US cloud companies would suffer as smaller country and region specific cloud providers thrive.

It's already happening. Because of GPDR, companies in EU tends to avoid american companies. European solutions tends to be preferred.

Can you provide some examples please?

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Post by goatinaboat »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #236

I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: due to the changing geopolitical landscape which has been going on since 9/11, loss of trust in the US as a "leader" that can keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else. This will be enabled by changes to the underlying infrastructure - moving away from BGP and adopting (BGP backward compatible) protocols…

keep the data safe, we will move away from the cloud and back to a model where data sovereignty trumps all else.

Why not both? That’s how AWS operates in China.

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Post by gglr »

mattlondon wrote: post #222

I don't have any knowledge of this, but it sounds to me a lot like a typical everyday re-org or "defragmentation" that happen frequently. Defragmentation example: they have a team with 12 people in California, 5 in New York, 2 in Seattle and 3 in Zurich. They decide to move all roles into one location instead of having the team split all over. If you don't want to move with the role, then you need to find something n…

Yeah, I'm not sure how/why this is even in the news...reorgs are a regular occurrence.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

xchaotic wrote: post #256
louhike wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already happening. Because of GPDR, companies in EU tends to avoid american companies. European solutions tends to be preferred.

Can you provide some examples please?

warning: confirmation bias ahead, but fwiw:

https://fortune.com/2019/10/30/europe-cloud-independence-gai...

> Tired of its businesses turning to foreign cloud-computing providers such as the Google, Microsoft and Amazon, the German government is leading the push for a European cloud network called Gaia-X. France is also on board. “Data will be the most important raw material of the future,” said German Economy Minister Peter Altmaier in a statement this week. “The European economy urgently needs an infrastructure that ensures data sovereignty.”

https://www.zdnet.com/article/eu-turns-from-american-public-...

> Just like their American counterparts, more than half of European businesses with over 1,000 employees now use a public cloud platform. But European governments aren't so sure that they should trust their data on Amazon Web Services (AWS), Azure, Google Cloud, or the IBM Cloud. They worry that the US CLOUD act enables US law enforcement to unilaterally demand access to EU citizens' cloud data -- even when it's stored outside the States.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/european-cloud-project-draws-ba...

> Germany and France are introducing a government-backed project to develop European cloud infrastructure in an effort to help local providers compete with U.S. technology giants, which dominate the global cloud market.

https://www.uscloud.com/blog/3-reasons-33-companies-ditching...

> However, if you dig deeper, you’ll find that a growing number of organizations have public cloud buyer’s remorse. A recent VotE Organizational Dynamics 2017 survey found more than one-third of companies surveyed migrated data from public to private clouds in 2017. Forrester Research shows migration to hosted private clouds are on the upswing, with adoption rising from 28% to 33% in North America in Europe. In that same survey, 36% of cloud adopters and planners state hosted private cloud is – or will be – their primary computing platform.

https://www.cybersecurity-insiders.com/idc-says-that-compani...

> Out of 400 IT decision makers who participated in the survey, more than 80% of them agreed that their organization either migrated applications or data that were primarily on public cloud environment to on-premises data centers or private cloud solutions in the past 14 months.

Re: Google cuts jobs at cloud-computing group

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Post by FDSGSG »

outworlder wrote: post #155
CydeWeys wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's software as a service. Of course you can.

> It's software as a service. Of course you can. Which is directly tied to the underlying hardware. That they already optimize to death.

Have you seen how much other providers charge? It's the software you're paying for when you go with google, hardware is cheap.
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