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Re: Why do incompetent managers get promoted?

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This reminds me of the old SGI postmortem memo [0] which said "optimists tend to be promoted". I've seen the exact scenario described in the 'management issues' section of that memo played out several times, so it resonated with me when it came out and I still see it happening today.

[0] http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/tirix/embarrassi...

Re: Why do incompetent managers get promoted?

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Because they are useful to do the "dirty" work. I realised that when I started running my company. There are good employees and bad ones. It's emotionally hard to fire the bad ones, but if we are separated by a few managers, it's easy to make the cold rational decision and let those managers do the rest.

Re: Why do incompetent managers get promoted?

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I wonder how many people who reference "The Peter Principle" have actually read it? It's short-- maybe 100 pages long-- and IMO not particularly good. It's essentially just a pile of brief vignettes about incompetent people being promoted, many of which feel like they were largely made up for the book. "There once was a guy named bob. He was bad at his job and got promoted. So there." ---- it is not quite that bad bu…

> There once was a guy named bob. He was bad at his job and got promoted.

That is not what the Peter principle (the principle, not the book) is about, that would be the Dilbert Principle.

Peter principle says that people who are good at their jobs are promoted into a different job at which they are not as good.

Re: Why do incompetent managers get promoted?

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This raises a question in my mind -- do any of these traits actually make the company more successful? Or more generally, are traits that are undesirable to subordinates, yet desirable to higher management, actually good for the company, and are traits that the subordinates value actually detrimental to the company? The reason I ask is that it would seem that natural selection would take over, and if a management sty…

The McDonnell/Boeing merger is a good example of why the natural selection logic is not a good model to think about human interactions.

Natural selection will apply, just not at a timescale we are generally willing to accept.

Re: Why do incompetent managers get promoted?

#115

Often, they get promoted to get them out of the way of day-to-day work and into pie-in-the-sky land where they can't be a drag on the real work of the company. It's best formulated as the Dilbert Principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbert_principle

In Russia (I guess from Soviet times) there’s a similar saying, ‘a good engineer won’t get promoted.’

Re: Why do incompetent managers get promoted?

#117

Because they are useful to do the "dirty" work. I realised that when I started running my company. There are good employees and bad ones. It's emotionally hard to fire the bad ones, but if we are separated by a few managers, it's easy to make the cold rational decision and let those managers do the rest.

it was a interesting realization when I came to terms that a great many roles in our society exist because emotions are hard for people to deal with. So we "outsource" some large percentage of it to someone to be a buffer and absorb/redirect some of it so that the rest of the process goes smoothly.

Its present in some aspects of nearly every field and while its frustrating to those of us who like to think that we're more rational, it is more likely a genius hack of the human system that lets us get things done at scale/speed than otherwise.

Re: Why do incompetent managers get promoted?

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I once held a presentation titled "How come my boss is an utter idiot" and used "Parkinson's Law", "Peter Principle" and "Dilbert Principle" as source

What did your boss say about it?

well, coincidentally it was in the transition between two jobs (the presentation was not in the company itself)

Re: Why do incompetent managers get promoted?

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I couldn’t take the daily crying. Individuals would come to my office, close the door and break down in tears. There was too much emotion over trivial things.

Where are you working that there is daily crying ? oO

Amazon?

Re: Why do incompetent managers get promoted?

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> delivering new revenue AKA growing the company. This seems like an accomplishment that is very worthy of reward/promotion based on the requirements of ownership (shareholders) and senior management.

Delivering new revenue today is extremely easy and too often overrated. Delivering new revenue today, without negatively affecting future revenue , is what drives a business to be successfull.

So very true. In many big and stable companies executives have a budget to spend. And it's not their money anyway. I've even been told to spend some money because it has been budgeted already for the year. If I don't spend it we'll get less the next year. Hence I should bend over to find a way to spend it despite it being a waste of money!
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