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Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Post by dfcowell »

toxik wrote: post #62
aganame wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Catalina from the first release on 4 macs, all work fine. Also at work, hundreds of upgrades went through with no problems. Apple and any hint of problems seem to be clickbait fodder these days. Almost seems like a coordinated pr effort.

Absolutely not “coordinated pr effort.” Safari stops rendering entirely on iOS every now and then, seems like a pretty major bug no? Not fixed for like five releases. AirPlay 2 is an absolute joke, stops playing after five minutes on the dot in some situations. Again, no fix in like a solid year. Good for you that you don’t have any problems, others do. Regression type problems.

> Safari stops rendering entirely on iOS every now and then

Oh great, other people are having this too. Assumed it was only me.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Post by killjoywashere »

ble52 wrote: post #11

Am I the only person that doesn't have any significant issues with Catalina? I'll admit, some of the permissions-related pop-ups are a bit annoying, but overall it's been a rather stable macOS version for me (developer, working mostly in Xcode and JetBrains IDEs).

Early releases rendered bluetooth "unavailable" on my original retina macbook, usually after closing the lid a few times. The only solution was rebooting.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Post by htfu »

mikenew wrote: post #32
chalst wrote: post #7

Also worth reading John Gruber's complaints, over and above bugs: > But I don’t know a single expert Mac user who is not seriously annoyed by the heavy-handed security design of Catalina. Not one. Every single expert user I know is annoyed. That is a bad place for MacOS to be. MacOS 10.16 needs a serious course correction to fix this, and if 10.16 goes the opposite way — growing even more heavy-handed in restricting…

One thing that drives me nuts is the way you get a security popup when you're working in a terminal. So you're ssh'd into a mac, you try to do something (like xcodebuild or whatever), and then it just sits there doing nothing while it waits for you to put in a password on a window you can't see. It's not exactly new in Catalina, but it's worse. Apple just does not even think about the fact that you might want to do t…

Yup. Or even just popups originally appearing behind other windows and missed. Or accidentally clicking the wrong option, or as with Mojave when apps requesting to record sound couldn't successfully trigger the popup in many cases.

The execution is where Apple is fucking up, yet people are hating on the concept, as if poor UX is somehow mandatory for something like this. Worries me a bit.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Post by cageface »

ble52 wrote: post #11

Am I the only person that doesn't have any significant issues with Catalina? I'll admit, some of the permissions-related pop-ups are a bit annoying, but overall it's been a rather stable macOS version for me (developer, working mostly in Xcode and JetBrains IDEs).

Brand new MBP 16" 2019. Freezes up about every other time I open the lid for as long as a minute before I can actually use it. Hangs quite often for 10 seconds while I'm using it.

Had similar issues with my 2018 after upgrading to Catalina. After rolling it back to Mojave they all disappeared. For me Catalina has been the worst MacOS release I've seen in 15 years of using Macs.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Post by tbarbugli »

Catalina is by far the worst OSX release for me and many people I know.

For months ext monitor support was buggy, touchbar stopped working daily (related to ext monitor bug) and restarts were necessary in order to go back to stable state. Since a couple weeks things improved a lot and I am back to my default state: I dont care about my OS nor about any Apple app, just let me use my IDE and browser without annoying me. I think that the wise thing here is to never ever upgrade OSX until a couple minor releases are out. Bugs eventually get fixed and security patches are important! This reminds me of Cassandra where x.y.6 was the right version to use :)

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Post by kureikain »

sdnguyen90 wrote: post #63
ble52 wrote: post #11

Am I the only person that doesn't have any significant issues with Catalina? I'll admit, some of the permissions-related pop-ups are a bit annoying, but overall it's been a rather stable macOS version for me (developer, working mostly in Xcode and JetBrains IDEs).

Both Catalina and Mojave were the smoothest MacOS upgrades I've had for a very long time. The only issue I have with Catalina is that I can't figure out how to disable password auth for sshd since the config is basically read only now. Ended up using Wireguard and disabling external SSH access.

Maybe it's other issue.

I was able to do `sudo vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config` then save it

Once saved, it looked like this: https://imgur.com/CGh4cB0

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Post by Shivetya »

MikeTaylor wrote: post #85

One of the killers for me is the dropped support for 32-bit binaries. I don't have a gaming box, so I play Steam games on my MacBook. Lots of the games I want to play (e.g. all the BioShocks) are 32-bit.

this is my situation, my iMac is for home use which includes games and the like, more than half of my games are marked incompatible and this includes all the Half Life titles and even a few games which have current DLC.

Now is the first time in years where it is valid for Windows fans to mock those who use their Macs for games as it truly isn't for a majority of games that used to work just fine. Though a few games that run through the equivalent of Wine wrappers are again working.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Post by pilif »

ble52 wrote: post #11

Am I the only person that doesn't have any significant issues with Catalina? I'll admit, some of the permissions-related pop-ups are a bit annoying, but overall it's been a rather stable macOS version for me (developer, working mostly in Xcode and JetBrains IDEs).

For me, Catalina worked fine since I’ve installed Beta 2 last summer.

Even the usual suspects, VMWare, Vagrant/VirtualBox and Homebrew survived the update just fine.

I see no crashes (at least not more than the usual once-every-two-months need to reboot), nor other weirdness. Compared to Mojave, even the random Bluetooth disconnects I had with my Magic Trackpad stopped happening.

Of course this is total non-news and I’m not going to publish a blogpost saying that Catalina is fine for me nor would that reach, much less survive on, the front page of any news aggregator if I actually were to write such a blog post.

Unfortunately, we only read about people having issues and we conclude that everybody must have problems.

Re: Mac OS Catalina: more trouble than it’s worth (Part 2)

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Post by madeofpalk »

ble52 wrote: post #11

Am I the only person that doesn't have any significant issues with Catalina? I'll admit, some of the permissions-related pop-ups are a bit annoying, but overall it's been a rather stable macOS version for me (developer, working mostly in Xcode and JetBrains IDEs).

It's been completely fine for me. I didn't even really get that many permissions pop-ups.

But I do agree, that there's real no reason to upgrade. "If it ain't broke, don't upgrade"

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