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The U.S. is charging Huawei with racketeering

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Post by totalZero »

jkelleyrtp wrote: post #183
busymom0 wrote: post #7

Here’s the DOJ statement: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co... Also here's Huawei Technologies Chief Security Officer Andy Purdy talking to Maria Bartiromo: https://youtu.be/iPczYamcruo

That was a terrible interview - are they all like that? She was just shouting at him and every time he tried to elaborate on their testing mechanisms she just called him a communist. He asked for the evidence and she said that she doesn't need evidence... ??? !!! As much as I assume that Huawei and co have backdoors in foreign electronics, I can't get over the racism and hatred for China shared by her and the comment…

Bartiromo has become one of the nutjobs.

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Post by qtplatypus »

jbduler wrote: post #206

This another example of what is called the Master-Slave dialectic from Hegel, an 18th century philosopher. Something that I studied in a philosophy class and had a profound influence on my understanding of work. Please take 10' to understand it and it applies to the relationship between engineers and salespeople, to the relationship now between China and the USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_dia…

Can you explain how this relates to this story?

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Post by chillacy »

dmoy wrote: post #121
ricw wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not just China that does this. This is a proven path for developing economies, that still have a labor price advantage. It’s the reason “Made in Germany” exists as a label, forced by the brits to mark “inferior goods” that turned out to be cheaper and better. Just like China now...

US theft of UK IP back in the day (early 19th century textiles especially) was a big deal.

Hollywood exists in California because Edison's patents weren't respected there https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/51722/thomas-edison-drov...

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Post by chillacy »

Koremat6666 wrote: post #88
nostromo wrote: post #18

> The DoJ alleges that Huawei and a number of its affiliates used confidential agreements with American companies over the past two decades to access the trade secrets of those companies, only to then misappropriate that intellectual property and use it to fund Huawei’s business. These American companies thought they could build their products for a fraction of the price in China and increase margins. They didn't sto…

It is a DoJ allegation and that department has lower credibility than gas station sushi. It is perfectly possible that as Chinese companies continue to prove to be more competitive across the tech value chain USA will increasingly take irrational positions to hurt Chinese companies. This is an old American model that as long as Americans can control you (la South Korea, Japan,etc.), Americans treat you as business pa…

I think this is just the way the world works. Samsung was found to infringe on Apple's design patents in the US... but not South Korea. Europe battling the US over raising digital taxes on US companies. Etc, it's just some economic nationalism.

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Post by blackrock »

richk449 wrote: post #175
karavelov wrote: post #109

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If they didn't invest in research, how were they first to market with 5G solutions?

They even stole the stuff we haven’t invented yet !!

OMG.. Huawei has a time machine too?

Damn it, that’s it! That’s just not fair. We must ban them now.

Won’t somebody think of the children?

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Post by sidlls »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #92
frankharv wrote: post #55

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Yes. Especially ones with Free Speech. China literally arrested a doctor for warning his colleagues. I have never heard of anything like that in the Free World.

Not exactly the same, but the recent kerfuffle with some pentesters and a courthouse was a thing.

Not even remotely comparable. A better analogy would be Trump's retaliation against good-faith actors raising complaints about his lawbreaking but it's still a weak one. America isn't any angelic nation, to be sure, but even our worst actions (Trump's retaliation, the border family separation issues) aren't even close to the routine, daily, and pernicious violations of human rights and dignity in China.

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Post by totalZero »

pastime wrote: post #201

Something seems off. If China steals all the US IP, why are US technology companies still so valuable? For example, Apple is a very valuable US technology company that also has extensive dealings in China.

I see it this way, apologies if it seems off topic or judgmental but....

The third world is a place where many people have an idea of astuteness that differs from intelligence.

Intelligence is the ability to design, build, create, manage, or otherwise achieve something in a novel way.

Astuteness is the ability to take an advantage when one presents itself. Think Diego Maradona, or Aladdin.

US technology companies have a great deal of creative intelligence, institutional knowledge, trust from customers, access to talent, and freedom to execute on corporate strategy.

But even the company you mention, Apple, is arguably being outdone by Samsung (moved production out of China) and Huawei (Chinese).

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jariel wrote: post #215
K0SM0S wrote: post #71

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I attended a top 5 business school in France at the turn of the century. We had partnerships with similar schools in NYC, Tokyo, Sydney, you name it. It was taught in first year of international business classes that outsourcing abroad was functionally equivalent to a transfer of technology — so you always had to factor in the time it took for your magic low-cost solution to fade out and become your competitor, essen…

This is a misleading narrative in the context of the charges against Huawei. To somehow equate the direct theft of IP and innovation as just 'shared culture and knowledge' completely avoids the material criminality at hand. Huawei is charged with literally incentivizing their employees to steal knowledge and IP, and of directly copying designs, on a systematic and widespread scale. These activities are instituted far…

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Post by totalZero »

rickety-gherkin wrote: post #83

US political and militarized forces protecting corporate interest for the sake of...what again? Upholding ridiculous IP law? Is it naive to think that IP law should be disintegrated? How would the world, and more specifically the digital landscape, look if there was no concept of IP.

There'd be little incentive to invest in long-term R&D projects. Where's the profit in research on a new drug if you'll have to immediately compete with other pharma companies in selling it?

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Post by chalst »

chillacy wrote: post #231
pinkfoot wrote: post #208

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Then use the car industry as an example: the American car manufacturers' internal combustion engines looks identical to those of the the Germans. To quote you: "who figured out how to build them first."

In the Toyota factory museum in Japan they aren’t exactly ashamed of the fact that they bought, disassembled, and reverse engineered a Chrysler for their first few cars.

Reverse engineering is a legal form of IP imitation everywhere.
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