Something seems off.
If China steals all the US IP, why are US technology companies still so valuable?
For example, Apple is a very valuable US technology company that also has extensive dealings in China.
The U.S. is charging Huawei with racketeering
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#202"A ‘competition management group’ was tasked with reviewing the submissions and awarding monthly bonuses to the employees who provided the most valuable stolen information."
Just wow.
How could any nation, let alone any company, allow any employee of Huawei anywhere near their operations?
Literally, they are incented to steal whatever they can from you, out in the open, systematically, with nary much effort to cover it up it seems.
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#203>Charges also Reveal Huawei’s Business in North Korea and Assistance to the Government of Iran in Performing Domestic Surveillance // Surely evidence would reveal that, but this DOJ press release doesn't appear to be concerned with that. >As revealed by the government’s independent investigation and review of court filings, // Mwah-ha-ha-ha! They know how to tell 'em. >the new charges in this case relate to the alleg…
>is clearly intended to presuppose the guilt of the defendant
This does not presuppose guilt in a way that would represent a direct conflict of interest in the US Justice system.
The Department of Justice is an executive agency whose directive is to bring indictments like this to trial - like a District Attorney.
The US court system, or the judicial branch, have no obligation to agree with the Department of Justice's position and are actually often don't side with them on matters like this where they test the precedent and definition of the law.
Ironically, the Chinese court system on the other hand has the rule of 3 Supremes - in that the views of the Communist party takes precedent over written law in judgements. In China, if a similar charge levied by the executive branch, this actually means guilt is presupposed in those passing judgement due to their lack of separation.
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#204Here’s the DOJ statement: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co... Also here's Huawei Technologies Chief Security Officer Andy Purdy talking to Maria Bartiromo: https://youtu.be/iPczYamcruo
That was a terrible interview - are they all like that? She was just shouting at him and every time he tried to elaborate on their testing mechanisms she just called him a communist. He asked for the evidence and she said that she doesn't need evidence... ??? !!! As much as I assume that Huawei and co have backdoors in foreign electronics, I can't get over the racism and hatred for China shared by her and the comment…
It will get worse before it’s better.
Sometimes I wanted to get off this planet so I can get away from humans and all of those irrationality and hatred. But in retrospect I probably just need to get rid of the part of me that are engaging the same.
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#205In a small town in Israel, called Hod Hasharon there was a company named "Toga Networks". This company was paying as twice as you currenly earn, if you work at Cisco or Juniper. Just like that, as twice as, just ocme work with us. One year went by, and it turned out that Toga Network is no other than Huawei. So I do not know about stealing source code, but I know they looked after its IP which is in people's mind.
> IP which is in peoples mind
I think a general term for acquiring that IP is called employment.
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#206This another example of what is called the Master-Slave dialectic from Hegel, an 18th century philosopher. Something that I studied in a philosophy class and had a profound influence on my understanding of work. Please take 10' to understand it and it applies to the relationship between engineers and salespeople, to the relationship now between China and the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_dialectic
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
> good for them, and for humanity's aggregate progress. I don't think social credit and proof that democracy isn't necessary for profit is good for humanity's progress.
Well, yes, that's what the whole cyberpunk genre has been warning us about for last 30 years. That future has come, though fortunately it's not evenly distributed, at least yet.
Not sure about the "fortunately" bit. It's nice that the dystopia hasn't captured everything yet, but uneven distribution of technological power is kinda what reinforces the dystopia.
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
And how everyone developed their own nukes... the moral of the story is that if someone copied your product and can beat you, then your product is not defensible in the first place.
Everyone except the United States, who figured out how to build them first.
Then use the car industry as an example: the American car manufacturers' internal combustion engines looks identical to those of the the Germans.
To quote you: "who figured out how to build them first."
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#210Something seems off. If China steals all the US IP, why are US technology companies still so valuable? For example, Apple is a very valuable US technology company that also has extensive dealings in China.
Two things come to mind: 1) Consumers want an iPhone, not an iPhone equivalent from China, 2) Apple might have enough influence and connections to evade blatant theft.