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The U.S. is charging Huawei with racketeering

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My previous employer and my current one (both Fortune-50 tech companies) each had quiet policies that prospective job candidates who had Huawei on their resume needed extra clearing before they could even interview. Reading through the indictment makes the policies seem less paranoid or perhaps even not paranoid enough.

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Re: The U.S. is charging Huawei with racketeering

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So Huawei is coping US companies and still creating better equipment than those it copy from? Ask anyone (well maybe anyone outside the US) in the tele industry and they'll tell you that Huawei is cheaper, better and also faster to fix a problem in both software and hardware. At least I have never heard anyone state otherwise outside of anon people on a forum. So, ask a real person and see.

Re: The U.S. is charging Huawei with racketeering

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While this doesn't directly have to do with the CCP having backdoors in Huawei products, it does seem a bit too coincidental that the DOJ is just happening to go after them since corporate espionage is a common theme when dealing with China. Hopefully this reflects a changing of the tides when it comes to enforcing IP laws in China rather than just an excuse to target a single company. I don't even like IP laws but i…

>I don't even like IP laws but if we are going to hold the rest of the industrialized world to the letter of the law

But we have proof that the NSA steals and shares secrets with US companies so throwing rocks in a glass house maybe?

Re: The U.S. is charging Huawei with racketeering

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This type of behavior is rampant in the Agricultural industry:

(2013): https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-crime-seeds-china/thr...

After a two-year investigation, a man working for a Chinese conglomerate was arrested on charges of stealing inbred corn seed from production fields in Iowa and Illinois and trying to smuggle it into China, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Iowa Nicholas Klinefeldt said.

The man, Mo Hailong, director of the international business of the Beijing Dabeinong Technology Group Co, a part of DBN Group, was in the United States legally.

(2019): https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/chinese-monsanto-staffer-...

A Chinese national who worked for US agricultural technology firm Monsanto has been charged in St Louis, Missouri, with stealing trade secrets for China, the US Justice Department said.

Haitao Xiang, 42, an employee of Monsanto and its Climate Corp subsidiary from 2008 to 2017, was stopped by federal officials at a US airport before he could board a flight to China carrying proprietary farming software, the department said in a statement on Thursday.

These are just two stories that made it into the news cycles. I have a lot more anecdotal evidence from farmer's I know who have seen the same thing in their fields in North Dakota. It's interesting that its usually the tech secrets they steal that make into the headlines, but the agricultural research Pioneer and Monsanto are doing is just as valuable to the Chinese and they're willing to send people anywhere to walk into these farmer's fields and start digging up experimental seeds? That's a major problem.

Re: The U.S. is charging Huawei with racketeering

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a tiring trope. It’s like how the music industry kept saying that people would no longer sing and make songs, because piracy would prevent them from doing so. As if there was no money to be made, and money was the only point of singing. As if piracy ever stopped people from singing for the past 10,000 years. Well, artists do make money from songs, by having concerts. They are selling the service and the exper…

People will keep singing and dancing and making music like they have always done. Most didn't make money from it. Sheet music changed that briefly, tapes/records/cds. Music = Copyright = money is a modern thing. Getting billions invested in anything won't happen without a return. If a company is limited to a short window before everyone can copy means less funding and more valueless throwaway products.

There is a happy balance to be had here. Patents as they exist today is often hindering innovation rather than promoting it. E.g. 3D printing really took off when 3D printing patents started expiring. The industry was stuck while patents where enforceable.

In many industries patents are an innovation blocker. Companies often spend more money fighting patents trolls than they gain form having patents. Patens are increasingly acquired for defensive purpose to defend against patent troll attacks rather than actually protecting any innovation.

I am not against intellectual property protection, but I think how things have developed in the US in particular is excessive and counterproductive.

Re: The U.S. is charging Huawei with racketeering

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Huawei clearly is on parity with western technology. The evidence is here: https://www.eetasia.com/news/article/Integrated-5G-Chips-Unv... And in particular, with its 5G modem: http://www.hisilicon.com/en/Products/ProductList/Balong Some news about this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-09/huawei-an... And also for the base stations: https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/huawei-s-5g-ran-port...

The evidence is a Huawei product announcement?

Re: The U.S. is charging Huawei with racketeering

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post #113

While this doesn't directly have to do with the CCP having backdoors in Huawei products, it does seem a bit too coincidental that the DOJ is just happening to go after them since corporate espionage is a common theme when dealing with China. Hopefully this reflects a changing of the tides when it comes to enforcing IP laws in China rather than just an excuse to target a single company. I don't even like IP laws but i…

>I don't even like IP laws but if we are going to hold the rest of the industrialized world to the letter of the law But we have proof that the NSA steals and shares secrets with US companies so throwing rocks in a glass house maybe?

The scale is not comparable.

Re: The U.S. is charging Huawei with racketeering

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please read the article and the definition of racketeering. This has nothing to do with the Chinese government using Huawei equipment to spy.

Your point is correct but could have been made without commenting regarding them having read the article. Doing so is against HN comment guidelines.

It’s fine when it’s obvious none of the comment is actually related to the article.

Re: The U.S. is charging Huawei with racketeering

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post #112

So Huawei is coping US companies and still creating better equipment than those it copy from? Ask anyone (well maybe anyone outside the US) in the tele industry and they'll tell you that Huawei is cheaper, better and also faster to fix a problem in both software and hardware. At least I have never heard anyone state otherwise outside of anon people on a forum. So, ask a real person and see.

The argument goes that Huawei would not be able to "create better equipment" had they been unable to wrongfully copy others' work in the first place. If the allegations are true, Huawei enjoys a position that resulted from unlawful and immoral behavior, and their ill-gotten gains should be confiscated from them.

Who knows what would have happened had Huawei done all their own R&D in the first place. Maybe they'd be in the same place as they are today; maybe not. But when you start from a position of copying someone else's work, the presumption is that everything you added since is tainted, and any profits should be someone else's, not yours.

Re: The U.S. is charging Huawei with racketeering

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Using a throwaway to share our $0.02 relating to this. AMA I guess. We're a US-based startup that does about $100-200k in business annually with Futurewei (Huawei's R&D subsidiary). I've never dealt with Huawei proper. I can say they're genuinely investing in R&D, and trying to build a product unlike anything being offered right now. We're working with tech that's floating around the academic conferences, but no one…

I don't have a question but your throwaway username is fantastic.
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