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Re: GitHub Enterprise is now free through Microsoft for Startups

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Post by virtue3 »

amsully wrote: post #12

Startups requiring compliance documentation from GitHub were forced to upgrade to GH Enterprise. Many competitors provide this for free or a fraction of the price. An industry based on an open source language will naturally have a race to the bottom in terms of price. GitHub's CLI is a move to get people off the open source solution by obfuscation.

> GitHub's CLI is a move to get people off the open source solution by obfuscation.

The "hub" project they have (which I haven't heard of anyone using) is like that yes.

The CLI is not https://github.com/cli/cli From their own docs: "While both tools bring GitHub to the terminal, hub behaves as a proxy to git and gh is a standalone tool."

Re: GitHub Enterprise is now free through Microsoft for Startups

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Post by dublinben »

chungy wrote: post #14
amsully wrote: post #12

Startups requiring compliance documentation from GitHub were forced to upgrade to GH Enterprise. Many competitors provide this for free or a fraction of the price. An industry based on an open source language will naturally have a race to the bottom in terms of price. GitHub's CLI is a move to get people off the open source solution by obfuscation.

The CLI is itself open source. Surely it can't be a huge barrier for competing software (GitLab, Gitea, etc) to implement its API.

It's still an open point of contention whether an API can be copyrighted. There's obvious benefits to GitHub to encourage the use of a 'gh' command over the 'git' command.

Re: GitHub Enterprise is now free through Microsoft for Startups

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Post by zelly »

TicklishTiger wrote: post #18

I would not use GitHub these days. On GitLab, you can decide to download all your data anytime and put it into a selfhosted GitLab instance. Why would I want to give that up and put my balls into the hands of Microsoft?

I think it's pretty hilarious that some companies are opting to allow another company (Microsoft, no less) to see the source of their proprietary code. It's like putting a giant sign outside your building that says "We're not working on anything interesting".

Re: GitHub Enterprise is now free through Microsoft for Startups

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Post by Alupis »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #24
Alupis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is 47 users really a "startup"? If you have anywhere near 47 actual users, affording $1k a month is going to be trivial. Would be nice if you could have, say, 5 users and extend the 2 years by not using all $1k monthly credits, adding users as you grow.

If you can't afford to start paying after 2 years, it's time to give up or pivot. This is very generous of MS/GH to offer until you've got traction.

> If you can't afford to start paying after 2 years, it's time to give up or pivot

That's kind of extremist, isn't it?

Plenty of startups are bootstrapped, one or two people, and can survive just fine using basic tooling. The free offerings from Gitlab and Bitbucket (which include private repos) are just fine for a lot of startups.

Not all startups are your VC backed unicorns.

> This is very generous of MS/GH to offer

Is it? It's really just an attempt to lock you into a proprietary system that you cannot export your data out of nor easily move off of down the road.

Re: GitHub Enterprise is now free through Microsoft for Startups

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Post by Alupis »

FactolSarin wrote: post #26
nimbius wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why not a gitea or gitlab instance running on a few pi's or something? Why pay anything at all?

Because if you're a startup, you probably don't want to deal with something like that. You want something that "just works."

Depends how "real" of a startup you are.

VC backed? Ya, you'd probably just pay someone else to handle it - it's not your money after all...

Bootstrapping with a friend as a side gig until you have something viable... you're probably going to go with the free/cheapest option possible - scaling up as necessary and not a second before.

Re: GitHub Enterprise is now free through Microsoft for Startups

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Post by toomuchtodo »

Alupis wrote: post #34
toomuchtodo wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can't afford to start paying after 2 years, it's time to give up or pivot. This is very generous of MS/GH to offer until you've got traction.

> If you can't afford to start paying after 2 years, it's time to give up or pivot That's kind of extremist, isn't it? Plenty of startups are bootstrapped, one or two people, and can survive just fine using basic tooling. The free offerings from Gitlab and Bitbucket (which include private repos) are just fine for a lot of startups. Not all startups are your VC backed unicorns. > This is very generous of MS/GH to offe…

No, I don’t believe it’s extremist to start paying for a commercial offering after a 2 year trial period. If you can make due with a free competing product, go for it.

If you’re not making enough in 2 years to pay for basic biz expenses, you’re a hobby and you shouldn’t expect enterprise features (SSO for example) for free in perpetuity.

Re: GitHub Enterprise is now free through Microsoft for Startups

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Post by Alupis »

alkonaut wrote: post #27
nimbius wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why not a gitea or gitlab instance running on a few pi's or something? Why pay anything at all?

The program offers github enterprise for free. The credits are in addition to that and can be used to e.g buy cloud CI/CD time. Running your own infrastructure doesn’t cost nothing.

> The program offers github enterprise for free. The credits are in addition to that and can be used to e.g buy cloud CI/CD time.

That's not what the Github page says.

Re: GitHub Enterprise is now free through Microsoft for Startups

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Post by dtrailin »

j4yav wrote: post #3
Alupis wrote: post #2

It gives you a credit of $1,000 monthly for 2 years, but there's no real indication anywhere on Github of exactly what that pays for? So it's not really free. How does this compare with Gitlab and Bitbucket offerings for small teams? I know Bitbucket has a one-time payment option for their self-hosted version of $10 for 10 users. Pretty hard to beat that, unless you're adamant you need it hosted for you.

GitLab's similar program can be found at https://about.gitlab.com/solutions/startups/

> Members of the current or two most recent YCombinator batches (currently s2019, w2018, and s2018)

That requirement is a pretty substantial difference.

(disclosure: I work for MS)

Re: GitHub Enterprise is now free through Microsoft for Startups

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Post by BeeOnRope »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #37
Alupis wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you can't afford to start paying after 2 years, it's time to give up or pivot That's kind of extremist, isn't it? Plenty of startups are bootstrapped, one or two people, and can survive just fine using basic tooling. The free offerings from Gitlab and Bitbucket (which include private repos) are just fine for a lot of startups. Not all startups are your VC backed unicorns. > This is very generous of MS/GH to offe…

No, I don’t believe it’s extremist to start paying for a commercial offering after a 2 year trial period. If you can make due with a free competing product, go for it. If you’re not making enough in 2 years to pay for basic biz expenses, you’re a hobby and you shouldn’t expect enterprise features (SSO for example) for free in perpetuity.

You are misrepresenting their argument. He didn't say paying for a commercial offering after two years is extremist. Rather, they said your position that "if you can't pay for a commerical offering in two years, it's time to give up or pivot".

I also find that second position extremist.

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