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Re: Burnoutindex.org

#21
My burnout index is 5/6. No surprise there.

I'm more interested in why the site reloads the top portion of the page after the initial load. You can tell, because the top image changes from the person sitting on the left side of the table a flipped one where they are on the right side of the table.

left https://images.ctfassets.net/z2g90m75le4q/5yT1ytvHM0WLTih13Y...

right https://images.ctfassets.net/z2g90m75le4q/7kam7578mAMnVlgQTP...

Re: Burnoutindex.org

#22
post #3

Perhaps tech workers should unionize and demand better healthcare, 40 hour work weeks, etc.

I get the sentiment, but some perspective is in order. We're in the goddamn catbird seat. We make a shitload of money, we actually do have good health insurance, and we punch keyboards in a heated office at a desk. We're not mining coal or working in the fertilizer plant from The Jungle. In this economy, if your work environment sucks, the door is open and there are greener pastures. The biggest problem is really tha…

Except that this is not true. The average salary of a software engineer in Japan, Germany and other highly developed nations is only slightly better than let's say an accountant's. If we take the amortized hourly wage by considering unpaid overtime then it becomes even worse which is on par with an average high school teacher or alike. In some cases considering the unpaid overtime plus the unpaid self-studies it can get amortized to the level of a janitor. And this is a systematic problem across the industry.

On the other hand the health insurance doesn't make any difference in these countries since it's the same for all citizens so I am not sure how is that relevant.

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#23
post #3

Perhaps tech workers should unionize and demand better healthcare, 40 hour work weeks, etc.

Not only is this politically impossible in the US, it would never be able to be equally applied across the industry. Startups would still give a raw deal to their employees. Startup culture in California practically worships extreme hours and periods without pay as "dedication" and part of the "grind".

Furthermore the fact that programming can be fun enough for lone wolf hackers to do their open source projects for free means that unionization efforts would probably lead to a greater industry reliance on actual free work, not less.

Re: Burnoutindex.org

#24
post #6
post #3

Perhaps tech workers should unionize and demand better healthcare, 40 hour work weeks, etc.

I've never had an issue with any of those things. Maybe people should move away from the valley into the rest of the country where the jobs are more humane

You could still use your leverage to help other people get those things. Solidarity and all that.

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#26
post #3

Perhaps tech workers should unionize and demand better healthcare, 40 hour work weeks, etc.

I get the sentiment, but some perspective is in order. We're in the goddamn catbird seat. We make a shitload of money, we actually do have good health insurance, and we punch keyboards in a heated office at a desk. We're not mining coal or working in the fertilizer plant from The Jungle. In this economy, if your work environment sucks, the door is open and there are greener pastures. The biggest problem is really tha…

Throwaway, here.

If you can't afford to buy a house on a single-income where you live you aren't making a shitload of money.

Tech is a small club. There is a blacklist. There are backchannel lines of communication. Piss off the wrong people and it will follow you for years.

Re: Burnoutindex.org

#27
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the sentiment, but some perspective is in order. We're in the goddamn catbird seat. We make a shitload of money, we actually do have good health insurance, and we punch keyboards in a heated office at a desk. We're not mining coal or working in the fertilizer plant from The Jungle. In this economy, if your work environment sucks, the door is open and there are greener pastures. The biggest problem is really tha…

> We make a shitload of money Not exactly true outside certain areas, mostly in the US. In The Netherlands for example > 80k euros is considered pretty good pay. > so much of what we do is boring, and, in the greater scheme of things, pointless This I would say is actually quite a big problem, one that can lead to burnout in the longer run.

> In The Netherlands for example > 80k euros is considered pretty good pay.

More than twice the average income? I don't know whether that qualifies as "shitload", but it's not that far away, no?

Re: Burnoutindex.org

#28
This is great. Any interest in expanding the Roles available in the drop-down menu to be more inclusive of other Roles within a tech company.

Speaking for myself, a tech industry Marketer, I'm pretty damn burnt out!

Thanks for creating a tool to help us visualize and keep reference of where we're mentally at.

It might be a cool feature to have the ability to save your report and trigger repeat measurements over time. With that data, you could then 'map' the mindspace of the user and how they are hopefully working towards triggers and burnout.

Re: Burnoutindex.org

#29
post #15

I don't think burnout is really about overwork so much as spending even 40 hours a week doing something that is contrary to your own personal values. I suspect a lot of people work on things (ads, selling more crap, getting people in more debt, etc.) that they ultimately don't think really matter or are a net benefit to society.

I think it's possible to burn out working on things you think are important but that are chronically underfunded or ignored. For example, I can imagine working on cleantech or green NGOs only to be consistently frustrated that people don't want to pay for better recycling and cleaner energy, or want to reduce their water usage.

Re: Burnoutindex.org

#30
post #3

Perhaps tech workers should unionize and demand better healthcare, 40 hour work weeks, etc.

My healthcare is 100% paid for and my work week is 40 hours 99% of the time.

My work week is also 40 hours 99% of the time, including the community volunteering my work encourages me to do. I've never missed a milestone because they aren't crazy short and I'm allowed to push back during planning if they are. I think more companies should be like mine. Somehow I still got a 1.4/6 on this survey and my risk "HIGH"
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