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Re: Goodbye Joyent

#61

Post by trasz »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #53
qubex wrote: post #9

I had to look up ‘SmartOS’ and ‘OmniOS’ because I had no idea what they are. NOTE: This isn’t meant as an insult; it’s just that often people use terms as if they were universally known. He had hyperlinks to some of the more obscure items on the list but not the key items.

This shows you how licensing problems and marketing are intertwined, and can kill off developer recognition of even OSes that are significantly advanced technically. Since the kernel and coreutils are GPL there aren't any sue-happy lawyers waiting to pounce upon CEOs saying "We use Linux", the broad family of Linux kernel based OSes (Debian, RHEL, Ubuntu, etc.) have generally gained the marketing term Linux. I feel t…

How would GPL prevent anyone from being sued in a way that a permissive license wouldn't?

Re: Goodbye Joyent

#62

Post by crimsonalucard »

smacktoward wrote: post #14
sillysaurusx wrote: post #5

It’s kind of risky to have programmers who feel so passionately opinionated about the software that should power a business. It’s doubly tricky, because most companies pay lip service to passion. But like a chef that cares a bit too much about which cookware you use, it sometimes hinders the goal of serving 100 customers at noon. I respect that they’ve created their entire networking stack from the ground up. Few can…

> like a chef that cares a bit too much about which cookware you use, it sometimes hinders the goal of serving 100 customers at noon. It puts me in mind of a line from the movie Gettysburg ( https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107007/?ref_=tt_ch ). Robert E. Lee, explaining his decision to make a risky attack to one of his lieutenants, says “to be a good soldier, you must love the army. To be a good commander, you must be…

To be the best business man is to do good business without compromising your ethics. Aim to be the best.

Re: Goodbye Joyent

#63

Post by ktm5j »

zeveb wrote: post #45
tgtweak wrote: post #3

What a joy to work with Bryan et al. Probably the best paid education you could imagine. Is Samsung doing nothing with joyent? Seems they could and should be competing heavily in the server space if not the public cloud itself more meaningfully than they seem to be today.

> What a joy to work with Bryan et al. Presumably not for Ben Noordhuis: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun That blog post is why I resolved never to do business with Bryan Cantrill or Joyent. I don't know if it influenced others to do likewise, but I can't imagine that it actually helped the company succeed.

So you don't want open source to be more inclusive? Seems like a silly reason for your decision.. I don't understand your motivation here.

Re: Goodbye Joyent

#64

Post by quadrifoliate »

trasz wrote: post #61
quadrifoliate wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This shows you how licensing problems and marketing are intertwined, and can kill off developer recognition of even OSes that are significantly advanced technically. Since the kernel and coreutils are GPL there aren't any sue-happy lawyers waiting to pounce upon CEOs saying "We use Linux", the broad family of Linux kernel based OSes (Debian, RHEL, Ubuntu, etc.) have generally gained the marketing term Linux. I feel t…

How would GPL prevent anyone from being sued in a way that a permissive license wouldn't?

My thinking is that the one-way opening of source code due to the GPL ensures that a company cannot reverse its overall stance on taking an OS open (like Oracle-Sun did with Solaris); and forces it to think in an open-first way (for lack of a better term).

If Solaris source had always been available under the GPL, it would have removed the incentive for Oracle-Sun to sue other people for announcing support for OpenSolaris or RedSolaris, or whatever. Of course they might have done that anyway, but in 2020 they would have been more likely to donate it to the Apache Foundation or something. Or we could have had the competing Solaris Foundation, promoting its Sun-centric technologies like dtrace, zones, and zfs as first-class alternatives to the corresponding Linux technologies.

Obvious disclaimers: Not a lawyer and not necessary good at predicting alternate futures :)

Re: Goodbye Joyent

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Post by bsg75 »

> I feel like I was just starting to ease into my all-night rager as an illumos kernel developer, only to have 5-0 break it up before I could jump off the roof into the pool.

I was surprised at how appropriate and familiar this phrasing felt.

Re: Goodbye Joyent

#66

Post by lurker20484 »

zeveb wrote: post #45
tgtweak wrote: post #3

What a joy to work with Bryan et al. Probably the best paid education you could imagine. Is Samsung doing nothing with joyent? Seems they could and should be competing heavily in the server space if not the public cloud itself more meaningfully than they seem to be today.

> What a joy to work with Bryan et al. Presumably not for Ben Noordhuis: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun That blog post is why I resolved never to do business with Bryan Cantrill or Joyent. I don't know if it influenced others to do likewise, but I can't imagine that it actually helped the company succeed.

Wow, didn't realise Bryan was such a dick. What a shame.

Re: Goodbye Joyent

#67

Post by ra33it »

lurker20484 wrote: post #66
zeveb wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What a joy to work with Bryan et al. Presumably not for Ben Noordhuis: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun That blog post is why I resolved never to do business with Bryan Cantrill or Joyent. I don't know if it influenced others to do likewise, but I can't imagine that it actually helped the company succeed.

Wow, didn't realise Bryan was such a dick. What a shame.

"an engineer that has so little empathy as to not understand why the use of gendered pronouns is a concern almost certainly makes poor technical decisions as well."

lurker resembles this remark.

Re: Goodbye Joyent

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Post by sgt »

zeveb wrote: post #45
tgtweak wrote: post #3

What a joy to work with Bryan et al. Probably the best paid education you could imagine. Is Samsung doing nothing with joyent? Seems they could and should be competing heavily in the server space if not the public cloud itself more meaningfully than they seem to be today.

> What a joy to work with Bryan et al. Presumably not for Ben Noordhuis: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun That blog post is why I resolved never to do business with Bryan Cantrill or Joyent. I don't know if it influenced others to do likewise, but I can't imagine that it actually helped the company succeed.

My goodness. Bryan Cantrill comes off as a complete fascist in that blog post.

I can't believe he would actually post something like that on Joyent's domain.

It's a personal attack on someone doing something he disagrees with. Shaming via a public space like that is just not done. It's okay to agree to disagree on a subject like gendered pronouns, just like it's okay to disagree on abortion laws or gun control.

Re: Goodbye Joyent

#69

Post by theredbox »

ktm5j wrote: post #63
zeveb wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What a joy to work with Bryan et al. Presumably not for Ben Noordhuis: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun That blog post is why I resolved never to do business with Bryan Cantrill or Joyent. I don't know if it influenced others to do likewise, but I can't imagine that it actually helped the company succeed.

So you don't want open source to be more inclusive? Seems like a silly reason for your decision.. I don't understand your motivation here.

You should realize not all of us are americans and we dont care about your identity bullshit.
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