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US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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Re: US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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Post by totalZero »

makomk wrote: post #90
gruez wrote: post #32

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>The US is essentially complaining that Huawei has access to the backdoor channels that only the US government was supposed to have. How is surprising? The defining characteristic of a nation state is that it has a monopoly on violence within its borders. Having a monopoly on intercepting telecom traffic is a logical consequence of that. For other countries though, yeah I'd prefer if neither China nor US have backdoo…

In practice, we're not just talking about the US backdooring telecoms systems within their own borders. They were caught red-handed compromising exactly these lawful access systems in the European allies they're now leaning on not to use Huawei telecom systems in order to tap their politicians' phones.

Seems like convenient timing, no?

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Post by ralusek »

Xylakant wrote: post #140
agoodthrowaway wrote: post #109

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I don’t really understand comments like this. US has lots of problems but we do have the semblance of rule of law. We do have the notion of transparency and you do not get sent to a labor camp if you have political views antithetical to the state. The Chinese can and do simply disappear people without the semblance of due process. Their history also is one of ethnic cleansing as the Han people have pushed out or marg…

> I don’t really understand comments like this. US has lots of problems but we do have the semblance of rule of law I, as a European citizen have no practical way to benefit of that semblance of rule of law.

The US has the strongest military in the world by...a lot. And they're probably your ally. It's better if your ally has semblance of rule of law rather than the alternative.

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Post by totalZero »

Lutger wrote: post #257
wolco wrote: post #255

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His claim rests on the reported facts by the US and allies? There are independant agencies outlining so much worse.. like the harvesting of organs on political prisioners. Do you think the US is harvesting organs?

Probably not, but the US has started more than a few wars which has led to insane amounts of suffering and dragged it's allies into it as well. This, as a European, I fear more than China's foreign policies. However I am truly afraid of the way Xi has enacted its horror policies in China.

Russia borders Finland, and your air force flies 60+ F/A-18s. I believe that US military power is among the most significant bulwarks of peace and prosperity in your country.

Re: US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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Post by totalZero »

dependenttypes wrote: post #118
agoodthrowaway wrote: post #109

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I don’t really understand comments like this. US has lots of problems but we do have the semblance of rule of law. We do have the notion of transparency and you do not get sent to a labor camp if you have political views antithetical to the state. The Chinese can and do simply disappear people without the semblance of due process. Their history also is one of ethnic cleansing as the Han people have pushed out or marg…

The US is better in terms of handling its own citizens compared to China but they are much worse in terms of international affairs. Consider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... or the bombing of civilians in middle east with killer drones.

One-dimensional arguments are rarely applicable in trying to discover reasons for, and implications of, foreign policy.

China is one of the most exploitative world powers in its relations with resource-rich developing countries. And it's no stretch to say that without the Soviet push for communism to take root in Latin America, the USA would have had little need to support authoritarian right-wing governments there.

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Post by totalZero »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #258
frequentnapper wrote: post #205

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Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. China has total control over its citizens/illegally occupied territories and look how its abused its power. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what would happen if China had global dominance that US currently enjoys - just someone disengenuous to pretend to ignore it.

What illegally occupied territories, exactly?

I'm guessing the reference is to Taiwan, mainly, but there is no shortage of disputed territories, including Tibet and a number of border regions near India.

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Post by totalZero »

oska wrote: post #247
agoodthrowaway wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t really understand comments like this. US has lots of problems but we do have the semblance of rule of law. We do have the notion of transparency and you do not get sent to a labor camp if you have political views antithetical to the state. The Chinese can and do simply disappear people without the semblance of due process. Their history also is one of ethnic cleansing as the Han people have pushed out or marg…

> I don’t really understand comments like this. And I don't understand how you don't understand. It was a very simple point that was being made - that the US has projected far more violence outside its borders over the last century than China. It's an irrefutable point and, from the perspective of people who live neither inside China or the US and so don't have to worry for themselves about how violent those governme…

If you don't include proxy wars fought between China and the US, and you don't include wars where the US came to the aid of allies after intense fighting was already underway, and you don't include wars where the US was retaliating to a direct attack on its soil, then I don't actually believe your assertion to be true.

So it depends how you count.

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Post by oska »

totalZero wrote: post #264
dependenttypes wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is better in terms of handling its own citizens compared to China but they are much worse in terms of international affairs. Consider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... or the bombing of civilians in middle east with killer drones.

One-dimensional arguments are rarely applicable in trying to discover reasons for, and implications of, foreign policy. China is one of the most exploitative world powers in its relations with resource-rich developing countries. And it's no stretch to say that without the Soviet push for communism to take root in Latin America, the USA would have had little need to support authoritarian right-wing governments there.

And the USA is the most exploitative country. By far.

It's odd watching US Americans (I presume) attack China while defending their own country's horrendous record (witness your cavalier setting aside of the CIA's evil doings in South and Central America). You simply don't appear to understand that a large number of people don't like super-states and that includes both the USA and China (and also the USSR up until its dissolution).

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Post by wangii »

harry8 wrote: post #244
wangii wrote: post #201

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nearly 20 years ago, George Bush talked about 'evil' countries, sent troops, and... unless you are under 25 or deeply religious, I'd suggest to think twice before using 'evil' on subjects of international politics.

evil is a good word with a defined meaning. Having it mis-used should not stop us from its correct usage. Yes absoultely be vigilant about its use, the specifics and be very suspicious of generalities of "evil" in nation state politics. It's reasonable to describe the actions of any government as evil when it meets the definition. Was George Bush Jnr performing the actions of an evil man? Discuss.

does every group supports any math operator? does every word have meaning in every domain? I don't think so.

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Post by dodobirdlord »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #258
frequentnapper wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. China has total control over its citizens/illegally occupied territories and look how its abused its power. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what would happen if China had global dominance that US currently enjoys - just someone disengenuous to pretend to ignore it.

What illegally occupied territories, exactly?

Tibet

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Post by dodobirdlord »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #138
BrendanD wrote: post #103

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In western countries you can, in general, publicly mock your leaders on the front steps of your legislature. Try dancing in a Winnie-the-Pooh costume in front of the Great Hall of the People and see what happens...

publicly mock your leaders on the front steps of your legislature So long as those steps are designated as a "free speech zone".

Oh boy, the worst thing that will happen is that you might have to move a little ways down the street. Horrifying.
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