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Re: MWC 2020 canceled over coronavirus health concerns

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Post by totalZero »

catalogia wrote: post #109
baddox wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like equivocation on the meaning of "catching it." Isolating yourself so that you either have no close relationships or somehow never hear about any suicides among your close relationships is a fairly nonsensical proposal, and probably wouldn't in fact decrease your chances of committing suicide.

The realization that suicide has contagious properties does have practical ethical ramifications for journalism. It's not some impractical theoretical matter that can't be acted on.

I went to a talk on this very matter. Kurt Cobain's suicide is an interesting case study on how journalism affects the development (or attenuation) of suicide clusters.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8897665

Re: MWC 2020 canceled over coronavirus health concerns

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Post by cm2187 »

retsibsi wrote: post #90
cm2187 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Spanish flu had a mortality of 10-20%. Everything points to this thing having a mortality similar to the seasonal flu.

> Everything points to this thing having a mortality similar to the seasonal flu. Can you justify this? I want to be convinced, because at the moment I think it's very optimistic. (There are different estimates for seasonal flu mortality, but it seems to be around 0.1%, so I'm assuming that's roughly the number you mean.)

The mortality measured in China is about 2%. Outside of China, I read it was rather 0.15%. And what I read is the 2% is based on the number of people who show up at the hospital with symptoms and get diagnosed. The doctors think there is a large but unknown population out there, with milder symptoms, who don't show up. Understandly. If you have what looks like a cold, you don't really want to go to the place where everyone is contaminated with the coronavirus.

So it looks like 2% is kind of the upper bound but that the actual rate will be lower.

Re: MWC 2020 canceled over coronavirus health concerns

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Post by topmonk »

justinzollars wrote: post #2

I just can't understand why the stock market keeps going up.

The Fed has been buying treasuries and doing repo market purchases recently, expanding their balance sheet and dumping billions into the financial economy. Those funds have to move somewhere.

Re: MWC 2020 canceled over coronavirus health concerns

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Post by topmonk »

baxtr wrote: post #134
creaghpatr wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Olympics are this summer, could be at risk if it hasn't been contained by then, especially given the proximity of Japan to China/mainland asia.

Summer is not a good time for a virus since the don’t survive Heath and the sun so well.

Given the number of cases in Singapore, this may not be the case for this virus.

Re: MWC 2020 canceled over coronavirus health concerns

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Post by biolurker1 »

totalZero wrote: post #136
OldOneEye wrote: post #13

While I feel sorry for the people that put the energy to make this happen and also for the people that may lose their jobs this month over this, as a native inhabitant of Barcelona, I can only celebrate the news, even if it is for this terrible reason. When MWC is ocurring in Barcelona, public transport (subway) goes on strike (because of the maximum impact). But usually this only fucks over non MWC attending people,…

You never really know what you've got till it's gone. A hundred thousand visitors eating, drinking, commuting, sightseeing, dwelling, and flying about in your city in a short period of time.....for many cities that would be a welcome occurrence (apart from the traffic woes). It's about $500m Euros of revenue, and I saw an estimate of something like 15k part-time jobs due to MWC. No small thing.

Yes he will be complaining about the municipality not having enough funds for keeping the streets clean after a few years.

Re: MWC 2020 canceled over coronavirus health concerns

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Post by biolurker1 »

AlunAlun wrote: post #145
OldOneEye wrote: post #13

While I feel sorry for the people that put the energy to make this happen and also for the people that may lose their jobs this month over this, as a native inhabitant of Barcelona, I can only celebrate the news, even if it is for this terrible reason. When MWC is ocurring in Barcelona, public transport (subway) goes on strike (because of the maximum impact). But usually this only fucks over non MWC attending people,…

It is very trendy for Barcelona residents (I am one also) to moan about the MWC or ‘gentrification’. It is less trendy to complain about the relatively low unemployment and well-maintained civic infrastructure; both of which are boosted by a strong international business presence which employs a lot of people and brings a lot of wealth to the city. Losing that international presence risks turning the city back to the…

Canceling due to a pandemic should not affect the long term

Re: MWC 2020 canceled over coronavirus health concerns

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Post by biolurker1 »

baxtr wrote: post #134
creaghpatr wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Olympics are this summer, could be at risk if it hasn't been contained by then, especially given the proximity of Japan to China/mainland asia.

Summer is not a good time for a virus since the don’t survive Heath and the sun so well.

It would only take a few super spreaders during the Olympics to start a true pandemic

Re: MWC 2020 canceled over coronavirus health concerns

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Post by WillPostForFood »

merqurio wrote: post #9

It doesn't make sense from a medical point of view. China, and specifically Hubei Province and its capital Wuhan, suffer an epidemic that they are trying to control with titanic efforts. 99% of cases of coronavirus (COVID-19) infection, today more than 40,000 with a thousand deaths, have been registered in China. Of them, almost 70% in Hubei. Only 1% of cases have been registered outside China, in 24 countries (inclu…

99% of cases of coronavirus (COVID-19) infection, today more than 40,000 with a thousand deaths, have been registered in China.

Another perspective is that there were only 41 reported cases in China six weeks ago, and now there are 60,000. So while there are only 500 cases outside China so far, we might want to wait six more weeks before declaring victory.

Re: MWC 2020 canceled over coronavirus health concerns

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Post by _-___________-_ »

aza05001 wrote: post #135
_-___________-_ wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Containment seems to be working pretty well, if you compare the dynamics of it in China (and on the quarantined cruise ship) to the dynamics of it everywhere else.

Containment in China is not going well. Other countries containment + quarantining China is going well.

That is exactly my point -- other countries are effectively containing the virus to China, and it appears to be working very well.

Re: MWC 2020 canceled over coronavirus health concerns

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Post by _-___________-_ »

totalZero wrote: post #144
_-___________-_ wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Containment seems to be working pretty well, if you compare the dynamics of it in China (and on the quarantined cruise ship) to the dynamics of it everywhere else.

We have no way of evaluating the truth of this claim. China has not been straightforward in its count of infections and fatalities [0]. The government has banned funerals for victims and ordered the cremation of their remains [1]. [0] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/02/12/corona... [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/china-virus-funeral-o...

Unless you think China is overstating the seriousness of it, this supports my point.
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