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US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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Re: US says it can prove Huawei has backdoor access to mobile-phone networks

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Post by empath75 »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #23

> Telecom-equipment makers who sell products to carriers "are required by law to build into their hardware ways for authorities to access the networks for lawful purposes," but they "are also required to build equipment in such a way that the manufacturer can't get access without the consent of the network operator," the Journal wrote. I love this quote. The US is essentially complaining that Huawei has access to the…

Let’s say it is hypocritical — and China is fully within its rights as a nation to attempt to do this — that doesn’t mean the us should just let them get away with it.

Let China keep the nsa out of their networks and we’ll keep China out of ours.

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Post by manicdee »

nucleardog wrote: post #249
dependenttypes wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is more dangerous for an American (or even European) citizen? The US or China spying at them? Even if China is more evil in its domestic affairs a western civilian has much more to fear from the US.

They have more to fear from China. China does not respect the sovereignty of other nations, nor the rule of law. They are not above intimidating, blackmailing, or otherwise exerting their influence on foreign nationals on foreign soil when their views become too politically inconvenient. Those residing and holding citizenship abroad but that have family back in China (which are many) have proven especially vulnenable…

This is the same USA which performs extraordinary renditions (ie: kidnapping a citizen of a foreign nation from within that nation’s borders), political assassinations, and abandoning erstwhile allies because their new friends with oil don’t like the old friends?

How is China worse than the USA? Your claim seems to rest entirely on greater reporting of China’s aggressions by the US and their allies.

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Post by lenkite »

jessaustin wrote: post #181
slimed wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's check back in a few decades and see if this still holds true. I suspect the current disparity is due the US holding the title of unchecked global super power for the past century while China is still getting up to speed. What happens when Belt & Road initiatives start to be expropriated by radical populist governments in the 2040's?

Do you think it will take that long? Surely China will expect its investments to start paying back before 2040? This still seems like a strange, "pre-crime" sort of standard to which to hold China. You're almost counting USA misdeeds against China: "since USA did all these horrible things, you can be sure China will do even worse, someday!"

He is right - China is now growing as a super-power and only just beginning to flex their muscle in international affairs. For a proper judgement, you will need to wait a few decades to take a decision on whether they will apply the same principles they use in domestic affairs to international affairs.

Knowing that they treat their third-world neighbours in contempt and tend to regularly infringe on territorial sovereignty, I suspect that answer will be yes. Your media does not tend to cover such affairs.

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Post by lenkite »

ceres wrote: post #150
agoodthrowaway wrote: post #109

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I don’t really understand comments like this. US has lots of problems but we do have the semblance of rule of law. We do have the notion of transparency and you do not get sent to a labor camp if you have political views antithetical to the state. The Chinese can and do simply disappear people without the semblance of due process. Their history also is one of ethnic cleansing as the Han people have pushed out or marg…

As a non-American, should I be more worried about a state that attacks its own people or one that has a demonstrated history of invading other countries and forced regime changes in those countries? From a pragmatic perspective, I'd choose the former.

You appear to have forgotten the Chinese invasion and ethnic cleansing of Tibet.

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Post by wolco »

manicdee wrote: post #252
nucleardog wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have more to fear from China. China does not respect the sovereignty of other nations, nor the rule of law. They are not above intimidating, blackmailing, or otherwise exerting their influence on foreign nationals on foreign soil when their views become too politically inconvenient. Those residing and holding citizenship abroad but that have family back in China (which are many) have proven especially vulnenable…

This is the same USA which performs extraordinary renditions (ie: kidnapping a citizen of a foreign nation from within that nation’s borders), political assassinations, and abandoning erstwhile allies because their new friends with oil don’t like the old friends? How is China worse than the USA? Your claim seems to rest entirely on greater reporting of China’s aggressions by the US and their allies.

His claim rests on the reported facts by the US and allies? There are independant agencies outlining so much worse.. like the harvesting of organs on political prisioners.

Do you think the US is harvesting organs?

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Post by justlexi93 »

This isn't necessarily about access to the calls themselves. It could be about being about to retrieve network configuration information, call history, maintenance logs, and being able to alter the configuration of the network. The article isn't specific enough.

In other words, do they just want to intercept calls, or steal customer information, or crash the network?

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Post by Lutger »

wolco wrote: post #255
manicdee wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the same USA which performs extraordinary renditions (ie: kidnapping a citizen of a foreign nation from within that nation’s borders), political assassinations, and abandoning erstwhile allies because their new friends with oil don’t like the old friends? How is China worse than the USA? Your claim seems to rest entirely on greater reporting of China’s aggressions by the US and their allies.

His claim rests on the reported facts by the US and allies? There are independant agencies outlining so much worse.. like the harvesting of organs on political prisioners. Do you think the US is harvesting organs?

Probably not, but the US has started more than a few wars which has led to insane amounts of suffering and dragged it's allies into it as well. This, as a European, I fear more than China's foreign policies.

However I am truly afraid of the way Xi has enacted its horror policies in China.

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

frequentnapper wrote: post #205
jessaustin wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think it will take that long? Surely China will expect its investments to start paying back before 2040? This still seems like a strange, "pre-crime" sort of standard to which to hold China. You're almost counting USA misdeeds against China: "since USA did all these horrible things, you can be sure China will do even worse, someday!"

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. China has total control over its citizens/illegally occupied territories and look how its abused its power. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what would happen if China had global dominance that US currently enjoys - just someone disengenuous to pretend to ignore it.

What illegally occupied territories, exactly?

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

umvi wrote: post #162
Xylakant wrote: post #140

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> I don’t really understand comments like this. US has lots of problems but we do have the semblance of rule of law I, as a European citizen have no practical way to benefit of that semblance of rule of law.

I'm sure you enjoy imported goods in your European country no? Imported goods that were likely shipped to you via pirate-free shipping lanes courtesy of the US Navy?

Even Russia sent their military ships along Somalia borders. This was and still is a military cooperation.

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

kofejnik wrote: post #200
Xylakant wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t really understand comments like this. US has lots of problems but we do have the semblance of rule of law I, as a European citizen have no practical way to benefit of that semblance of rule of law.

As a European, you benefit immensely from being a member of NATO, you might be a part of Russia otherwise. To think US and China are equally bad requires an astonishing degree of naivety

>As a European, you benefit immensely from >being a member of NATO

We are having US nukes in our backyard. This adds as much worry as it adds protection.

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